Theres flight chops.. and then theres the real deal..

[Strega]

https://youtu.be/ighpcnZCFsw

[CpnCrunch]

It might have been better if they hadn't got confused in their call to ATC and ended up with the approach lights off. They ended up at 300ft with no runway in sight but the ground visible, and at 200ft they finally saw it but were quite a ways off centreline. Would have been much simpler if they'd just asked for the approach lights on like they were intending to do

Also, it's pretty easy to do when there isn't any turbulence. Try it when your 172 is bouncing about like a wild stallion and the KAP140 can't even manage to do the approach, and I'll be a bit more impressed.

[eggy]

Wouldn't there have been a NOTAM stating PCL is u/s?

[cdnpilot77]

It might have been better if they hadn't got confused in their call to ATC and ended up with the approach lights off. They ended up at 300ft with no runway in sight but the ground visible, and at 200ft they finally saw it but were quite a ways off centreline. Would have been much simpler if they'd just asked for the approach lights on like they were intending to do

Also, it's pretty easy to do when there isn't any turbulence. Try it when your 172 is bouncing about like a wild stallion and the KAP140 can't even manage to do the approach, and I'll be a bit more impressed.

Also easy to be an armchair quarterback waiting to be impressed by a student pilot and cutting them down instead.

[cdnpilot77]

I was impressed by the instructors natural encouragement, coaching and congratulatory nature...he seemed a bit nervous but his overall demeanour obviously rubs off on this student. I didn't listen to all the dialogue afterwards, so maybe I missed something?

[Shiny Side Up]

I'm just uncertain whether Strega is being sarcastic or not.

[cdnpilot77]

I'm just uncertain whether Strega is being sarcastic or not.

I was wondering the same.

[CpnCrunch]

It might have been better if they hadn't got confused in their call to ATC and ended up with the approach lights off. They ended up at 300ft with no runway in sight but the ground visible, and at 200ft they finally saw it but were quite a ways off centreline. Would have been much simpler if they'd just asked for the approach lights on like they were intending to do

Also, it's pretty easy to do when there isn't any turbulence. Try it when your 172 is bouncing about like a wild stallion and the KAP140 can't even manage to do the approach, and I'll be a bit more impressed.

Also easy to be an armchair quarterback waiting to be impressed by a student pilot and cutting them down instead.

No, you missed my point (although perhaps I wasn't clear). I was just pointing out that flightchops isn't any worse than this guy. I don't really have anything against these videos, just playing devil's advocate because I don't really think it's fair to be constantly bashing flightchops.

[iflyforpie]

Other than the facial hair and leaving zero margin for error, I don't see the difference either.

[Strega]

I'm just uncertain whether Strega is being sarcastic or not.

I was wondering the same.

Me 3...

[Rookie50]

"The real Deal"

Hmmmm. Maybe Some think 172's should routinely shoot approaches to minimums without approach lights instead of diverting to an alternate that was clearly open. Nahhh, do this instead and make a video.

Hey, just add night conditions and chance of icing, and they can be even cooler. That's whats its all about, right? Or.......

[Shiny Side Up]

I don't really have anything against these videos, just playing devil's advocate because I don't really think it's fair to be constantly bashing flightchops.

Indeed, that dead horse has been beaten enough. "Mr. Aviation's" videos aren't much different, and while I don't begrudge them, in quite a few that I viewed before Strega's recommendation, he makes a lots of unwise choices, one where he and some friends pick their way through some CBs comes to mind. But unless Strega is going to offer his own commentary about what he thinks is wrong about the video, repeatedly posting threads here what I'm assuming are in a disparaging manner, serves little point. Everyone already knows how the avcanada membership feel about them.

[Strega]

Flight chops is a joke.... product of a typical "flight school" mentality...

Mr aviation actually does things,, including shooting an ils to minimums, and yes, hold your breath, dodge some cbs... Those that have not left the circuit in any capacity outside of their training will not understand this.

[Rookie50]

Flight chops is a joke.... product of a typical "flight school" mentality...

Mr aviation actually does things,, including shooting an ils to minimums, and yes, hold your breath, dodge some cbs... Those that have not left the circuit in any capacity outside of their training will not understand this.

I'm so impressed. Videos like this do a disservice to actual wise risk management. It isn't "cool" for a 172 to pick its way through CB's, either. Theres no place for this macho Top Gun crap in impressionable minds.

Edit --

That being said I looked but haven't seen the video, but "picking through CB's" -- I'm further assuming no WX radar -- doesn't sound like avoiding them by 25 miles, either. Pretty hard to pick through CB's that are embedded in IMC, too.

It's the mentality of making videos that lead to one doing cooler and cooler things, until one makes a big mistake, i don't support.

My $0.02.

[CpnCrunch]

I didn't see the one with the CBs. Which one is it?

[Strega]

It's the mentality of making videos that lead to one doing cooler and cooler things, until one makes a big mistake, i don't support.

So should we all just stay home then?

FYI the reason that stormscopes are installed in 172s or small cessnas it to aid in avoiding flying through a cell.. no?

[Rookie50]

It's the mentality of making videos that lead to one doing cooler and cooler things, until one makes a big mistake, i don't support.

So should we all just stay home then?

FYI the reason that stormscopes are installed in 172s or small cessnas it to aid in avoiding flying through a cell.. no?

Did they have a stormscope? I have one, and it's certainly NOT sufficient. Lightning is not a prerequisite for cells that will rip one apart, throw one out of control, or at best, terrify you and your unlucky pax.

Yeah, this is real, good mentorship chatter for new pilots too.

[photofly]

The pas devant les enfants theme is so dull, don't you think?

[Shiny Side Up]

The pas devant les enfants theme is so dull, don't you think?

Amen.

[Big Pistons Forever]

The pas devant les enfants theme is so dull, don't you think?

Better than a "pour encourager les autres" hubris........

[altiplano]

Those guys got too much crap in there with them...

Cameras, tablets, efb...

Pretty boy posers.

[photofly]

Better than a "pour encourager les autres" hubris........

I do not think that quote means what you think it means.

[Lindsey]

Flight chops is a joke.... product of a typical "flight school" mentality...

what's that supposed to mean?

[Shiny Side Up]

Flight chops is a joke.... product of a typical "flight school" mentality...

what's that supposed to mean?

It means that really, really awesome pilots like Strega didn't learn at a flight school or even with an instructor. As natural born pilots they were dropped out of the sky by Zeus, they learned to fly on the way down, and thus are a superior breed. Much like a North Korean dictator. They are completely self made, by a striking combination of innate iron will, genetic superiority and divine favour. They willed themselves to know how to fly in a process similar to Neo learning Kung-fu. Amazingly they also overcame any obstacles that flight schools, instructors and the regulator, all tools of some nameless old-one underdemon placed in their way.

If you were unfortunate enough to have learned to fly at a flight school it would be inconceivable for you to match their flying prowess.

[photofly]

Amazingly they also overcame any obstacles that flight schools, instructors and the regulator, all tools of some nameless old-one underdemon placed in their way.

Cthulhu is working for Transport, now?