Airliner on fire in YYZ

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:09 am

Well I'd like to second Wasn't Me's post. I'm not sure what was going on up front that they ended up in the rhubarb, but kudos to the cabin crew for a job spectacularly done. The fact that every one of the 300-odd pax made it out is a testament to them.

Well done, folks!

flyinhigh · Post by **flyinhigh** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:21 am

Alright, they crew did a great job. I'd buy everyone of them a beer for a great job on gettin everyone out in time.

As for what was going on up front, sounds like we got alot of experts here just like on tv, I highly doubt that there were sittin drinking some margarita's on final, would you do this, give me a break. Its these attitudes that piss me off in this industry.
Maybe they were doing something but until it is out by the investigation don't sit there sayin that you know/think this cause you don't know.

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:29 am

From AF's website:

Air France is paying homage to the entire crew : to the Captain, to the First Officer and to the cabin crew. Their calm and professionalism have prevented a drama.

Before being hospitalised, the first officer made a last check around the aircraft to make sure that no passengers remained on board.

Once again, well done, folks... well done.

http://www.airfrance.ca/presse/en/yto50802_2.htm

And back to what you guys are saying about this little tidbit disappearing from the headlines as soon as it was apparent that no one was dead... what a sad, disgusting commentary on our media. I couldn't find anything but a tiny video buried in a corner on CNN's site. Too bad no one was killed... Wolf could have talked about it for a solid week. Poor, hard-done-by CNN...

justplanecrazy · Post by **justplanecrazy** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:38 am

bush pilot wrote:However I am not familiar with the systems of a 340 let alone any large get so I could be wrong.

Those large get's are gosh darn complicated eh??? If you ever want to make it out of the bush you might wanna start calling them Jet's.

Brint · Post by **Brint** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:52 am

justplanecrazy
way to go on catching the typo! You sure are smart!

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY @$$HOLES ON THIS SITE??????

wha happen · Post by **wha happen** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:52 am

same reason there are so many pilots on here

Pachanga · Post by **Pachanga** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:55 am

Youngback wrote:Who cares if the plane is now in a ditch.

Probably Air France's CEO's and Marketing department.

jumperdumper · Post by **jumperdumper** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:59 am

Brint wrote: WHY ARE THERE SO MANY @$$HOLES ON THIS SITE??????

I couldn't agree more.

Why do people think its ok to bash other people? Do you guys feel better making fun of others? Grow up, this isn't grade school.

Youngback · Post by **Youngback** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:15 am

Pachanga wrote:
Youngback wrote:Who cares if the plane is now in a ditch.
Probably Air France's CEO's and Marketing department.

Touche.

Navajo-dude · Post by **Navajo-dude** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:43 am

Pachanga wrote:
Youngback wrote:Who cares if the plane is now in a ditch.
Probably Air France's CEO's and Marketing department.

And their insurance carrier.

SkyKing · Post by **SkyKing** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:04 am

I find that us pilots tend to get so caught up with all the negative things in this industry. When I first heard about this accident, I almost wept. When the news came out that all had survived I was ecstatic. Unfortunate that the accident happend, but finally some good news.

Truly miraculous.

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:14 am

Just a thought: Last time everyone was praising the actions of the flight crew this much was the Air Transat crew that landed engines out in the Azores. I hope this doesn't turn out to be a similar case.

dgeb · Post by **dgeb** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:27 pm

So what other decisions can aircrew make? – Besides continue and land!

Aircrew face enormous pressure to complete the flight to the intended destination, and do it on time. Besides the operational pressure, there are your peers and the competition ahead and behind you. Everyone ahead has landed and everyone behind intends on landing. Pack Mentality, we attempt things in a group where we might not if we were alone.

This type of scenario develops in many other circumstances both at metropolitan airports and northern community centers. And the same pressure can be imposed on both high time and low time aircrews. To deny that this type of pressure does not exist or that you are above the “Pack” will not allow you to do anything else, besides what the “Pack” has decided.

I believe these circumstances present some of the toughest challenges for aircrew to overcome, because preventative Decision Making cannot be measured as a success or a failure – although the dollar cost and inconvenience is easily measured and visible.

Personally I’ve been lucky when running with the Pack, although I’ve had the ____ scared out of me on more than one occasion.

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:23 pm

Check out these amazing pics taken by a passenger:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/picture_gall ... 30,00.html

Lots of pics there, here are a few examples...

TG · Post by TG » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:09 pm

Sulako wrote:Check out these amazing pics taken by a passenger:

Lots of pics there, here are a few examples...

Aircraft already on fire and running out with your hand luggage

Chantal · Post by **Chantal** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 3:57 pm

Can't wait to hear what the Pilot will Say.....Do you think he will comment on what happened? It will be interesting as will the black box recordings, do you think that will be released information?

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:52 pm

Good post, dgeb.

I think we've all at one time--or more--questioned whether continuing an approach given the current weather was a great idea, and then pressed on only because others were getting in ahead of us. That's certainly information to be factored into your decision-making, but not to exclusion of all other considerations.

Well, if nothing else, this will be a model example of emergency egress in future cabin crew/CRM courses...

bush pilot · Post by **bush pilot** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:49 pm

justplaneignorant wrote:

Those large get's are gosh darn complicated eh??? If you ever want to make it out of the bush you might wanna start calling them Jet's.

I am sorry I did not take typing lessons in school. As well the G and J are close to each other and I did not proof read it like I should have, but thank you for being so kind and letting me know. You can now anticipate a forward of all my replies before I send them out so you can proof them so this will never happen again and I as well as you can then sleep well at night. Jack $#s

BTD · Post by **BTD** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:24 pm

Not to bash the "experts" in the media anymore, but they should really put some more effort into what they present. Initial reports I can understand but it is now more than 24 hrs later. I heard this on the news tonight about the ATC tapes
It was more or less

"Air F____ flight ___ you are now cleared for the (inaudible) runway 24 L"

The inaudible word was clearly ILS. All you had to do was listen. Not that the general public is going to care, but common research a little or find someone that knows what they are talking about.

As to the causes of this crash, as previously stated the answer should be no comment

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:10 am

bush pilot wrote:...and I did not proof read it like I should of...

Now that we've got your spelling sorted out, we just need to work on your grammar. Should HAVE.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

bush pilot · Post by **bush pilot** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:15 am

I don't know what your talking about!

LOL (I knew that didn't look right)

... · Post by **...** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:35 am

ooops!!!

Looks like a 'slide' did not deploy.

Well it figures...Airbusted products...we'd be better off on the Titanic.

Fly domestic....
http://www.boeing.com

...drive imported.
http://www.landrover.com

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:35 am

Story of one of the pax on board.

http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsD ... 530022D867

Sorry about the shoes Dr.

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:47 am

I am Birddog wrote:ooops!!!

Looks like a 'slide' did not deploy.

Yeah, I noticed that too. I wonder if it malfunctioned or if they just didn't bother. Maybe they can't deploy with flames nearby... although I think I'd be more worried about my body than the slide in the fire...

bush pilot · Post by **bush pilot** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:52 am

I read somewhere that a couple of slides malfunctioned, which might be the reason some people had broken legs and spinal injuries.