WestJet Pilots and Flight Attendants Race to Unionize

[flyingvinnie]

Maybe they should have interviewed more people for that article, and not just one guy who is hammered on the WJ juice?

An interesting quote, in reply to a CBC news article:


"There are a few concerns I have being a WJ pilots wife... First and most important is safety. My husband is pushed to his limits alllll the time. Working 13 hour days and 19-21 days a month not 16. Most are unpaid due to changes of bases in the company. He has been forced to commute from accross the country rather then the WEST he was hired for. When he drives home after 17-20 hr days due to his commute I worry. Sure he could choose not to further his carrier and stay commuting from the west and many have chosen that but is that fair? For the record the union is pilot run, not an outside representative. There are many more points like no loss of license insurance or no mental disability... I could go on...."

[Go Guns]

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[FL020]

wait a minute........

Their lives aren't all rainbow's and lollipops??

Maybe they should have interviewed more people for that article, and not just one guy who is hammered on the WJ juice?

An interesting quote, in reply to a CBC news article:


"There are a few concerns I have being a WJ pilots wife... First and most important is safety. My husband is pushed to his limits alllll the time. Working 13 hour days and 19-21 days a month not 16. Most are unpaid due to changes of bases in the company. He has been forced to commute from accross the country rather then the WEST he was hired for. When he drives home after 17-20 hr days due to his commute I worry. Sure he could choose not to further his carrier and stay commuting from the west and many have chosen that but is that fair? For the record the union is pilot run, not an outside representative. There are many more points like no loss of license insurance or no mental disability... I could go on...."

[bobcaygeon]

Maybe they should have interviewed more people for that article, and not just one guy who is hammered on the WJ juice?

An interesting quote, in reply to a CBC news article:

For the record the union is pilot run, not an outside representative. There are many more points like no loss of license insurance or no mental disability... I could go on...."

Having Pilot's run your union is WORSE, Look at ACPA, Its even worse if you let them negotiate. You wouldn't let a plumber fix your car why would you let a pilot negotiate. They are terrible at it.

[brooks]

bobcaygeon has a point. BUT I think it is better than ALPA.

[atphat]

Look at what ALPA just negotiated for Delta. ACPA vs ALPA aside, no one can deny what an amazing TA Delta pilots are about to vote on.

[mantogasrsrwy]

Maybe they should have interviewed more people for that article, and not just one guy who is hammered on the WJ juice?

An interesting quote, in reply to a CBC news article:


"There are a few concerns I have being a WJ pilots wife... First and most important is safety. My husband is pushed to his limits alllll the time. Working 13 hour days and 19-21 days a month not 16. Most are unpaid due to changes of bases in the company. He has been forced to commute from accross the country rather then the WEST he was hired for. When he drives home after 17-20 hr days due to his commute I worry. Sure he could choose not to further his carrier and stay commuting from the west and many have chosen that but is that fair? For the record the union is pilot run, not an outside representative. There are many more points like no loss of license insurance or no mental disability... I could go on...."

Sounds like someone has a blonde trophy wife.

[flyingvinnie]

Maybe they should have interviewed more people for that article, and not just one guy who is hammered on the WJ juice?

An interesting quote, in reply to a CBC news article:


"There are a few concerns I have being a WJ pilots wife... First and most important is safety. My husband is pushed to his limits alllll the time. Working 13 hour days and 19-21 days a month not 16. Most are unpaid due to changes of bases in the company. He has been forced to commute from accross the country rather then the WEST he was hired for. When he drives home after 17-20 hr days due to his commute I worry. Sure he could choose not to further his carrier and stay commuting from the west and many have chosen that but is that fair? For the record the union is pilot run, not an outside representative. There are many more points like no loss of license insurance or no mental disability... I could go on...."

Sounds like someone has a blonde trophy wife.

Or, a wife who is sick of being basically a single parent due to base changes enforced by WJ?

[Mr. North]

No loss of license insurance? Is that really true?

[True North]

Maybe they should have interviewed more people for that article, and not just one guy who is hammered on the WJ juice?

An interesting quote, in reply to a CBC news article:


"There are a few concerns I have being a WJ pilots wife... First and most important is safety. My husband is pushed to his limits alllll the time. Working 13 hour days and 19-21 days a month not 16. Most are unpaid due to changes of bases in the company. He has been forced to commute from accross the country rather then the WEST he was hired for. When he drives home after 17-20 hr days due to his commute I worry. Sure he could choose not to further his carrier and stay commuting from the west and many have chosen that but is that fair? For the record the union is pilot run, not an outside representative. There are many more points like no loss of license insurance or no mental disability... I could go on...."

"Forced to commute". Hilarious. No one is ever forced to commute, it is always a choice.

[flyingvinnie]

Maybe they should have interviewed more people for that article, and not just one guy who is hammered on the WJ juice?

An interesting quote, in reply to a CBC news article:


"There are a few concerns I have being a WJ pilots wife... First and most important is safety. My husband is pushed to his limits alllll the time. Working 13 hour days and 19-21 days a month not 16. Most are unpaid due to changes of bases in the company. He has been forced to commute from accross the country rather then the WEST he was hired for. When he drives home after 17-20 hr days due to his commute I worry. Sure he could choose not to further his carrier and stay commuting from the west and many have chosen that but is that fair? For the record the union is pilot run, not an outside representative. There are many more points like no loss of license insurance or no mental disability... I could go on...."

"Forced to commute". Hilarious. No one is ever forced to commute, it is always a choice.

Not much of a choice when you are settled in Calgary. Especially if your wife has a good job there, you have a nice home there, all you babystitting/daycare arrangements are there. Then nice ol' WJ comes along and says " if you want to keep your left seat, pack your bags and move to Toronto. Or, move three hours north, so you can afford a house."

Yup, that's the friendly WJ family attitude now.

If there wasn't a need for a union, there wouldn't be a big push. Simple as that!

[complexintentions]

Personal attack. Keep your comment civil or don't comment

[True North]

Maybe they should have interviewed more people for that article, and not just one guy who is hammered on the WJ juice?

An interesting quote, in reply to a CBC news article:


"There are a few concerns I have being a WJ pilots wife... First and most important is safety. My husband is pushed to his limits alllll the time. Working 13 hour days and 19-21 days a month not 16. Most are unpaid due to changes of bases in the company. He has been forced to commute from accross the country rather then the WEST he was hired for. When he drives home after 17-20 hr days due to his commute I worry. Sure he could choose not to further his carrier and stay commuting from the west and many have chosen that but is that fair? For the record the union is pilot run, not an outside representative. There are many more points like no loss of license insurance or no mental disability... I could go on...."

"Forced to commute". Hilarious. No one is ever forced to commute, it is always a choice.

Not much of a choice when you are settled in Calgary. Especially if your wife has a good job there, you have a nice home there, all you babystitting/daycare arrangements are there. Then nice ol' WJ comes along and says " if you want to keep your left seat, pack your bags and move to Toronto. Or, move three hours north, so you can afford a house."

Yup, that's the friendly WJ family attitude now.

If there wasn't a need for a union, there wouldn't be a big push. Simple as that!

Cry me a river. It's aviation, it's inherently unstable. Airlines have bases and need to staff them. As a pilot, you go to the base or you don't, it's a choice and sometimes it's not easy. The airline is a business and like any other business exists to make money, not provide you a job anywhere you want to live.

And just FYI, no Union is ever going to change that. Get over it.

[flyingvinnie]

If there wasn't a need for a union, there wouldn't be a big push. Simple as that!
Cry me a river. It's aviation, it's inherently unstable. Airlines have bases and need to staff them. As a pilot, you go to the base or you don't, it's a choice and sometimes it's not easy. The airline is a business and like any other business exists to make money, not provide you a job anywhere you want to live.

And just FYI, no Union is ever going to change that. Get over it."

Wow, why so defensive? You must be starting to realize that west jet is no longer what is once was, and are getting angry at that? Or, maybe you are the captain they quoted in the article, and are mad that even your fellow pilots think you sound like an as# clown?

Or, are you also drunk on the WJ juice?

[True North]

If there wasn't a need for a union, there wouldn't be a big push. Simple as that!
Cry me a river. It's aviation, it's inherently unstable. Airlines have bases and need to staff them. As a pilot, you go to the base or you don't, it's a choice and sometimes it's not easy. The airline is a business and like any other business exists to make money, not provide you a job anywhere you want to live.

And just FYI, no Union is ever going to change that. Get over it."

Wow, why so defensive? You must be starting to realize that west jet is no longer what is once was, and are getting angry at that? Or, maybe you are the captain they quoted in the article, and are mad that even your fellow pilots think you sound like an as# clown?

Or, are you also drunk on the WJ juice?

Wrong on all accounts. I don't work for WestJet, never did and I don't work for anyone else for that matter. Been retired several years now, I just still have an active iinterest in the industry. It's disheartening to hear a bunch of self entitled whiners moaning about how mean big bad WestJet is because they opened up a couple of bases and now they might have to move. Suck it up princess, it's the airline business and no Union is going to rush in and save the day. Move or don't move, it's a choice. Make a descision, move on and shut the hell up already. I had to move 8 times during my 35 years in the biz. No sympathy.

[flyingvinnie]

If there wasn't a need for a union, there wouldn't be a big push. Simple as that!
Cry me a river. It's aviation, it's inherently unstable. Airlines have bases and need to staff them. As a pilot, you go to the base or you don't, it's a choice and sometimes it's not easy. The airline is a business and like any other business exists to make money, not provide you a job anywhere you want to live.

And just FYI, no Union is ever going to change that. Get over it."

Wow, why so defensive? You must be starting to realize that west jet is no longer what is once was, and are getting angry at that? Or, maybe you are the captain they quoted in the article, and are mad that even your fellow pilots think you sound like an as# clown?

Or, are you also drunk on the WJ juice?

Wrong on all accounts. I don't work for WestJet, never did and I don't work for anyone else for that matter. Been retired several years now, I just still have an active iinterest in the industry. It's disheartening to hear a bunch of self entitled whiners moaning about how mean big bad WestJet is because they opened up a couple of bases and now they might have to move. Suck it up princess, it's the airline business and no Union is going to rush in and save the day. Move or don't move, it's a choice. Make a descision, move on and shut the hell up already. I had to move 8 times during my 35 years in the biz. No sympathy.

Man, you sound so bitter and angry. Go outside for a walk, and try to enjoy life, at least for a minute!

[ZBBYLW]

Wrong on all accounts. I don't work for WestJet, never did and I don't work for anyone else for that matter. Been retired several years now, I just still have an active iinterest in the industry. It's disheartening to hear a bunch of self entitled whiners moaning about how mean big bad WestJet is because they opened up a couple of bases and now they might have to move. Suck it up princess, it's the airline business and no Union is going to rush in and save the day. Move or don't move, it's a choice. Make a descision, move on and shut the hell up already. I had to move 8 times during my 35 years in the biz. No sympathy.

Nice! The old "I suffered so you should too" crowd. That will really help progress.

[True North]

Wrong on all accounts. I don't work for WestJet, never did and I don't work for anyone else for that matter. Been retired several years now, I just still have an active iinterest in the industry. It's disheartening to hear a bunch of self entitled whiners moaning about how mean big bad WestJet is because they opened up a couple of bases and now they might have to move. Suck it up princess, it's the airline business and no Union is going to rush in and save the day. Move or don't move, it's a choice. Make a descision, move on and shut the hell up already. I had to move 8 times during my 35 years in the biz. No sympathy.

Nice! The old "I suffered so you should too" crowd. That will really help progress.

Nice! The new "I deserve everything I want and screw the consequences" crowd. Starting the swirl around the drain.

[North Shore]

Maybe they should have interviewed more people for that article, and not just one guy who is hammered on the WJ juice?

An interesting quote, in reply to a CBC news article:


"There are a few concerns I have being a WJ pilots wife... First and most important is safety. My husband is pushed to his limits alllll the time. Working 13 hour days and 19-21 days a month not 16. Most are unpaid due to changes of bases in the company. He has been forced to commute from accross the country rather then the WEST he was hired for. When he drives home after 17-20 hr days due to his commute I worry. Sure he could choose not to further his carrier and stay commuting from the west and many have chosen that but is that fair? For the record the union is pilot run, not an outside representative. There are many more points like no loss of license insurance or no mental disability... I could go on...."

"Forced to commute". Hilarious. No one is ever forced to commute, it is always a choice.

Not much of a choice when you are settled in Calgary. Especially if your wife has a good job there, you have a nice home there, all you babystitting/daycare arrangements are there. Then nice ol' WJ comes along and says " if you want to keep your left seat, pack your bags and move to Toronto. Or, move three hours north, so you can afford a house."

Yup, that's the friendly WJ family attitude now.

If there wasn't a need for a union, there wouldn't be a big push. Simple as that!

There's always a choice; there are four, in fact, here: Move, commute, downgrade, or quit. Yes, it sucks, and I'm sure that upper management would rather that it didn't disrupt their employees, but it is the nature of business that circumstances change. I suppose that we could get into a philosophical discussion about the nature of businesses: would the WJ employee group take a smaller profit share or reduced share value if the business was run somewhat inefficiently, so as to keep people on the bases that they were originally hired for? I suspect that the answer to that is no, seeing as dozens of their peers have moved in response to the company's needs.

[kaput]

Maybe they should have interviewed more people for that article, and not just one guy who is hammered on the WJ juice?

An interesting quote, in reply to a CBC news article:


"There are a few concerns I have being a WJ pilots wife... First and most important is safety. My husband is pushed to his limits alllll the time. Working 13 hour days and 19-21 days a month not 16. Most are unpaid due to changes of bases in the company. He has been forced to commute from accross the country rather then the WEST he was hired for. When he drives home after 17-20 hr days due to his commute I worry. Sure he could choose not to further his carrier and stay commuting from the west and many have chosen that but is that fair? For the record the union is pilot run, not an outside representative. There are many more points like no loss of license insurance or no mental disability... I could go on...."

"Forced to commute". Hilarious. No one is ever forced to commute, it is always a choice.

Not much of a choice when you are settled in Calgary. Especially if your wife has a good job there, you have a nice home there, all you babystitting/daycare arrangements are there. Then nice ol' WJ comes along and says " if you want to keep your left seat, pack your bags and move to Toronto. Or, move three hours north, so you can afford a house."

Yup, that's the friendly WJ family attitude now.

If there wasn't a need for a union, there wouldn't be a big push. Simple as that!

What a sense of entitlement.... You remind me of that old joke, "what's the difference between God and a pilot? God doesn't think he's a pilot."

It's union slobs like yourself who turn a well oiled machine into a junk heap incapable of change.