Time to pay up tuition and get in kids..

[Stumper]

Or risk missing out on the latest wave of layoffs and outsourcing:

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 6&t=103276

Nothing quite like the thrill of taking a big life chance to help build a startup airline only to have your career eliminated to increase profits or offered back at day 1 B scale wages at the lowest bidding contract amo the second management figures your yearly increases have made it cheaper to outsource you.

It's all understandable and worthwhile though if you understand the sacrifice is needed to top up the ceo of the weeks multi-million dollar annual bonus. Love the your jobs are subject to annual review part. And at none other than the nations most profitable airline.

Gotta love this industry. The only trade where you get the adrenalin rush of building your money earning potential right from scratch every 5 years or so

[NeverBlue]

Whatever...
Always the same old thing with you guys.
...SO CHANGE INDUSTRIES ALREADY!

[Stumper]

The guys already in can and will make there own hard decisions based on their unique circumstances. Many have already chosen the path you suggest and many many more are seriously considering it.

The reason for my post was to warn the kids before they make a huge commitment of time and money educating themselves in pursuit of a dying trade with very sketchy future and very limited potential for return on investment.

[ourkid2000]

There's an aviation college in London, ON that used to be a thriving heavy maintenance facility. One that was well run and well managed (relative terms). That's all people need to know really.........sheesh, the balls on that crowd who opened that place!

[NeverBlue]

a dying trade with very sketchy future 

...are you seriously saying that aviation maintenance is dying?

So planes are going to stop flying in Canada? Really?

You know it's cheaper to get your car repaired in the US!



Didn't the maintenance facility in London just move to somewhere else in Canada?
What's your point Ourkid?

[ourkid2000]

It did not move elsewhere......YHZ Heavy does do a little more work than they used to (added one extra line). however, most of the employees chose either to quit or bump. Most chose to quit. Yeah but no big deal uprooting the family to Halifax from London. Or YYZ, or YVR, or YEG, and on and on.

If you don't get my point, you're either tired, drunk, or stupid.

[NeverBlue]

You need to get your facts straight.

They moved...for $10 million.

Your in the wrong field if you don't expect to move during a career in aviation.

...and you're calling me stupid.

[ourkid2000]

Jesus H......you got a god damn clue or what? I believe less than 20 YXU employees wound up in YHZ, the rest either bumped, quit, or were laid off. God dammit I should know better by now than to start up with you.

http://www.lfpress.com/2013/06/27/air-c ... osing-jobs

I'm out.

[NeverBlue]

Good...cause I have no idea what your point is with respect to what stumper is saying.

Quiting is a choice...like bumping or moving is.
All the airlines layoff...nothing new there...

[GyvAir]

ourkid2000.. familiar with this concept?

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[NeverBlue]

Why do people think that they should get a diploma, be guaranteed a job for life at top pay, and nothing will ever change?

Where does that happen?

Where is an investment in education ever guaranteed?

When is a job ever guaranteed for life? Not even tenure at a University is guaranteed really...

Why don't you all just become CEOs if you are jealous of what they make.

NOTHING IN LIFE IS GUARANTEED...EVER.

Sheesh get a grip for cry'n out loud...What is wrong with you people?

[5x5]

Why do people think that they should get a diploma, be guaranteed a job for life at top pay, and nothing will ever change?

Where does that happen?

Apparently it happened in Greece. And anyone who reads the news at all will realize it isn't working out so well for them.

[Stumper]

Why do people think that they should get a diploma, be guaranteed a job for life at top pay, and nothing will ever change?

Where does that happen?

Where is an investment in education ever guaranteed?

When is a job ever guaranteed for life? Not even tenure at a University is guaranteed really...

Why don't you all just become CEOs if you are jealous of what they make.

NOTHING IN LIFE IS GUARANTEED...EVER.

Sheesh get a grip for cry'n out loud...What is wrong with you people?

No one but you has suggesting anything of the sort on this thread. Please stop with the straw man arguments

This thread is about giving a heads up on current AME job prospects within the industry to people considering investing there time and money to be educated in this direction. Why does that always seem to piss you off so much that you need to troll and answer every single post by heroically tearing down your own bizarre straw man arguments followed closely by the inevitable personal insults you begin to spew??

According to you you've had a great run in aviation and that's great. But even you have admitted that the job you claim to have is a very rear find and that generally in aviation ames can and should expect nightshifts, layoffs and crappy encore pay scales. So why the deep bitterness against those that would attempt to educate the newbies about these same conditions that you ridicule the current Ames for not expecting when they entered this trade?

[SuperchargedRS]

Why do people think that they should get a diploma, be guaranteed a job for life at top pay, and nothing will ever change?

Where does that happen?

Where is an investment in education ever guaranteed?

When is a job ever guaranteed for life? Not even tenure at a University is guaranteed really...

Why don't you all just become CEOs if you are jealous of what they make.

NOTHING IN LIFE IS GUARANTEED...EVER.

Sheesh get a grip for cry'n out loud...What is wrong with you people?

No one but you has suggesting anything of the sort on this thread. Please stop with the straw man arguments

This thread is about giving a heads up on current AME job prospects within the industry to people considering investing there time and money to be educated in this direction. Why does that always seem to piss you off so much that you need to troll and answer every single post by heroically tearing down your own bizarre straw man arguments followed closely by the inevitable personal insults you begin to spew??

According to you you've had a great run in aviation and that's great. But even you have admitted that the job you claim to have is a very rear find and that generally in aviation ames can and should expect nightshifts, layoffs and crappy encore pay scales. So why the deep bitterness against those that would attempt to educate the newbies about these same conditions that you ridicule the current Ames for not expecting when they entered this trade?

So because one operator sucks no one should go to school to become a AME?

I've known a few successful people who got into drugs and ruined their lives, perhaps no one should try to be successful ether?



Look

There are plenty of jobs and opertunity in every profession for people who make wise choices, pick who you want to work for, presuming you are not the entrepreneur type, carefully.

As a pilot, there are tons of airlines and companies who suck the big one, I don't work for any of them, I've never put in a application for any of them, nor would I entertain a offer from any of them.

Because I picked a good company I'm happy and taken care of, if people just said "no" to working for crap companies free market would take care of the rest.

[NeverBlue]

Thank-you!

I've been called stupid and a troll in this thread alone Stump...show me where I've personally insulted you or anyone else in this thread.
I don't just claim to have had a good carreer I've actually had one...there's no need at all to insinuate that I'm lying...again another insult.

[all_ramped_up]

Well I just entered the Trade in a lateral move from Dispatch with low expectations but got lucky.

Starting off with (what I feel is) a good company, good pay and so far it's great. Happy I left Ops behind! Perhaps maybe I have better feelings about being an AME after years of work in the actual slave labour part of Aviation. Work the ramp for BWIA for a few years and you'll want to be back to turning wrenches quick. Perspective is everything isn't it?

There are a lot of people that just don't do enough research when they choose a Career. There were some of my classmates that were taking the course because coincidentally our trade starts with the letter 'A'. NSCC brochure is alphabetically ordered... Now compare that to a couple other folks like myself that already had a good idea what to expect. Who do you think is going to end up becoming the Rotten Apple in the Shop? Probably not the person that did some homework before taking the course I'd bet.

[NeverBlue]

Well said...

Attitude is everything...expect nothing and you'll never be disappointed.
Expect the world and you willl never be satisfied.

Take it day to day and never take anything for granted.

Be happy you're alive, working and living in one of the best countries in the world.

...and nevermind the naysayers...

1 million people unemployed in Ontario right now...most of them unskilled with no post secondary education...

[SeptRepair]

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 7&t=104234 Live the dream gentlemen, live the dream.

[Pat Richard]

Well, he is preaching to expect nothing...and it is that.

[GyvAir]

NeverBlue,

Stumper’s point is valid. Your point is valid. Both points have been pounded to dust in a dozen other threads here already.

You and your points get little respect in here for a few simple reasons:

You don’t give respect.

You don’t appear credible. Your technical knowledge has repeatedly been shown through your posts to be sketchy at best. Your people skills seem non-existent. Yet, you claim to have some sort of quasi-management dream job with a fantastic (and wildly fluctuating, I guess, depending on your mood) salary. It doesn’t add up, unless there’s some sort of family or political influence putting you there.

You never give an inch in any debate. Difference of opinion with someone? You don’t discuss, you just rail on about how they just don’t get it. When someone calls you out on an obvious error, you just laugh or fail to respond.

Not sure why I waded into this thread. I generally make a point of not contributing to a thread once I see you’ve started posting in it, as it has about a 95% chance of going sour in a very short time.
(Yes, I made that statistic up, just like the 1 million unemployed in Ontario statistic, but it’s probably more accurate.)

[NeverBlue]

You caught me..It's all a ruse.

Respect is earned...insulting me, my livelihood and my technical expertise won't get you any from me...ever!

You posted here only to take a shot at me...I posted here in rebuttal to the original subject.

[GyvAir]

You’re right; I did post here solely to take a shot at you, as you put it. The thread itself was being derailed before I got here.

I read and post here because I enjoy it. Seeing your tag in a thread is a flag to me that it has little or no hope of continuing as an enjoyable or useful thread. I know I can’t change your behaviour in here, but it’s only fair to tell you how your behaviour is perceived so that you can reflect on it and react as you so choose.

[NeverBlue]

My behaviour is and always has been to counter those that attack my livelihood which has been very good to me.

This is perceived as trolling by a lot of people here which is ridiculous.

This thread was again an attack on aviation maintenance as a career. I say something against it and here you are.

Who's the troll?

[chowda]

Who's the troll?

you.

I don't always agree with Gyvair, but he nailed you in those two post's.
Most will see that, but you unfortunately will keep pounding on.

best part of Gyvair's post was the bit about how you have the ability to turn of a thread by posting on it, lol. too true, but I think in your head you see it as "winning".

[NeverBlue]

...was wondering when you'd show up...another that keeps making personal attacks on me....and I'm the troll.

will keep pounding on.

Exactly right...which is why I am where I am today...I won't give up because of a bit of conflict or adversity...which is what aviation is full of.