Multi PIC

[avbird]

Currently an instructor i was wondering how valuable Multi PIC in a seminole or something similar?
When it comes to upgrading to the next job?

Thanks

[7ECA]

PIC is king. Some people think MPIC is more important than single engine PIC, but the reality is PIC is king.

[Oxi]

depends what job you want next

[PointyEngine]

500 MPIC is your key to pretty much any job you want to step onto.

[upintheair_]

Depends which way you want to go. Talk to pilots in Jazz, Encore etc. MPIC, once you're there is not really worth much at all. It's all seniority. But.. to get that job that's where the MPIC matters. My first job was on a multi engine with flight school minimums (FO), and will transition soon into the left seat. When I leave eventually I hope to have 2000 hours with 1000MPIC.

[checkremarks]

I agree with all the above posts, and to add, some aviation companies require 500 MPIC for their pilots to do certain contracts. In Ontario the MNR and the MOH have certain MPIC requirements for Captains to operate on the contract. Even a 337 with Discovery Air on their posts says 1000 Hours Total and 100 Multi Time. That 100 Multi time is an example of what the MNR requires Discovery pilots to have to do detection not a Discovery Air requirement.

Instructing on the twin is also a lot more fun and challenging than circuits in a 150.

[awitzke]

That 100 multi time is also PIC for the 337. Do you really need it to be PIC just to fly a 337? Not really but that's the way the government wants it so that's the way it is. I'm sure we could start a whole other conversation for Contrails....

MNR Captain requirements for carrying workers is IIRC 2000tt, 500mpic and an atpl.

[upintheair_]

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[loopa]

Great advice guys.

I'll chip in my 2 cents. Enjoy the ride. It will almost always make you more qualified irrespective of mpic, pic, etc.

There are a lot of people who are logging mpic every day at work but are incompetent too.

An airline recruiter isn't only looking at your mpic when hiring you. If your overall profile is good (which is a measure of your personality), almost all cases of mpic/spic/etc get dropped in the decision to offer you an interview/job.

Ever wonder how so and so with only F/O time made it to the majors? or regionals? Look at their overall profile and career development irrespective of mpic.

Enjoying the ride allows you to take the scenic route. In my case it involved taking on additional tasks within the companies I worked at (like training, or QA), and I found the skill set from those jobs accelerated my effectiveness as a crew member irrespective of which seat.

Many of my peers who chased mpic are still waiting for their first airline gig.

Lesson? Take your time, enjoy the ride. If mpic becomes available, take it, but only if it's something that makes you happy and is something you'd enjoy doing. Because only then would you actually do a good job of it. If it's just a move out of convenience that you won't care much about in 2 weeks, then hold on to the SPIC, and find yourself a multi turbine gig that makes you happy.

You'll find that making moves based on happiness will lead to an extremely rewarding career. Chasing work for tin, money, mpic, and any other singular reason usually leads to bitterness and entitlement slowly creeping in.

[trey kule]

Good post Loopa.

The minimum times, if there are any, get you in the door.

After that it is all about personality.

It is an important message that so many young pilots today just don' t seem to understand.

The good thing however, is that so many HR departments are so lousy at their job that you can fake it through. Been done more than once.

[AOW]

While multi PIC may not be necessary to get in the door at the airlines, it may help a lot to get on with a company that gives you the kind of experience that the airlines like to see. Airlines like to see multi crew experience, and the 703/704 companies that are good places to get that two crew experience probably put a high value on MPIC. So unless the airlines are getting really desperate and hiring anybody with 1500 hours and a pulse, then MPIC is the way to go. In other words, MPIC is never going to hurt you, and may definitely help you.

At the same time, as mentioned above, lifestyle is more important, and don't sell your soul to get one step ahead! I knew a guy who worked for 5 different companies in 3 different provinces in 12 months, jumping from seat to seat to get ahead as fast as possible. Another guy who started at about the same time as him, at a company equivalent to the first place the first guy had been, a little off the beaten path, but at least still had road access, stuck with that company for 2 years, made some decent money, and was in the same groundschool at Jazz as the first guy.

[loopa]

While multi PIC may not be necessary to get in the door at the airlines, it may help a lot to get on with a company that gives you the kind of experience that the airlines like to see. Airlines like to see multi crew experience, and the 703/704 companies that are good places to get that two crew experience probably put a high value on MPIC. So unless the airlines are getting really desperate and hiring anybody with 1500 hours and a pulse, then MPIC is the way to go. In other words, MPIC is never going to hurt you, and may definitely help you.

This is the common opinion. While it holds true for some, it also doesn't hold true for many. When looking at an airline that brings you in at the F/O level, someone with MSIC time and the right personality will still be interviewed, and still given the job if all they have is SPIC and no MPIC. Surely MPIC will make you seem more qualified, but I'd be interested to see a study between how SPIC and MPIC impacted the ratio of people getting into airline/regional ground schools. I think you'd be shocked how little bearing it has. At the contrails level and oil company level, absolutely. MPIC seems to be the only real way to get a job in the bigger companies/planes. But if we are purely speaking of airlines, I have to disagree with your opinion. Doesn't mean you're wrong though.

At the same time, as mentioned above, lifestyle is more important, and don't sell your soul to get one step ahead! I knew a guy who worked for 5 different companies in 3 different provinces in 12 months, jumping from seat to seat to get ahead as fast as possible. Another guy who started at about the same time as him, at a company equivalent to the first place the first guy had been, a little off the beaten path, but at least still had road access, stuck with that company for 2 years, made some decent money, and was in the same groundschool at Jazz as the first guy.

This right here!! A perfect example of how someone who wants to jump to accelerate their career, vs someone that just stays put will usually end up in the same spot. I have witnessed this so many times. There really are no short cuts in this game. You can either enjoy the ride, or find this out the hard way. MPIC or not.