How high is "high time"?

oldhand · Post by **oldhand** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:16 pm

Saw a post saying that "...they only hire high time guys..." and then went on to say 5000hrs. I don't think 5000hrs is high time. I guess it is relative to the position. 3000hr navajo...yes, 3000hr B-767...not so much. What does everyone else think. Is 5000hrs high time? I'd think 15000 would be a little closer.

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:34 pm

You answered your own question. It depends on the job/type.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:01 pm

A guy with 3000 hours flying a 180 would be a high time guy.
A guy with 3000 hours flying a 337 for H&L, would be high time.
2500 hours instructing would make the grade.
When you hit "Boeing Land", or even "Hawker Land" the "high time" guys are starting at 12-15000 hours.
A Private Pilot with 300 hours is "high time"!
F18 drivers with 1500 hours on type would be "high time".

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:17 pm

I know a guy at YQR with over 13k hours on hoes

TopperHarley · Post by **TopperHarley** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:05 pm

I guess you have to differentiate between someone with "high time" and someone who is "exprienced."

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:59 pm

Dust Devil wrote:I know a guy at YQR with over 13k hours on hoes

Wow! What a sex machine ... is he a pilot, too?

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:49 pm

Hz2p, good one! ROTFLMAO!!!!

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:20 pm

I guess the type of time a peson has accumulated should be consideder but unfortunatly the insurers only count the numbers. Does a guy or gal have 2000 hours or does the guy or gal have one hour repeated 2000 times. I consider any professional a high timer with 2000 hours. A private pilot is high time at 500 hours. Just my humble opinion, for what its worth.

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:47 am

I've got twenty-something thousand hours, and there's still a half dozen drivers in the company that call me "Kid"

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:39 pm

The only high time I am concerned with is that it is high time someone gave me a beer!!!
Ahh!!My wife just handed me a cold Granville Island Pale Ale. Now high time has become good time.

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:32 am

Once you reach that point in your career when you're flying the same aircraft in the same places, after a few years the value of additional hours is questionable.

In this case, the difference in knowledge and skill between a 10,000 or 20,000 or 30,000 hour pilot might be pretty tough to measure. It's asymptotic, really.

And then there's the effect of aging. I suspect that a 20,000 hour 45 year old might perform better than a 35,000 hour 60 year old.

It's not about the hours, really. You're only as good as your last flight

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:35 am

" And then there's the effect of aging. I suspect that a 20,000 hour 45 year old might perform better than a 35,000 hour 60 year old. "

Wow , for a second there I was worried that I was at risk, but thank Allah or whomever I don't fit in that catergory, I'm just about 70 and only have about 30,000 hours...whew, I'd sure hate to think I'm slippin..

Seriously though Hedley, I just read an article on that very subject and there is no measurable difference in reaction time between young healthy pilots and old healthy pilots...

Just look at Bob Hoover, there is my Icon..

Cat

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:59 am

Dunno there Cat, now that I'm older, I find my reaction time has really fallen off.
Why, I can hardly ever seem to reach the bartab before the youngsters snatch it up

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:28 pm

Well JC, I don't have to worry about that anymore, its been over twenty years since I quit drinking booze...

...had I continued at the rate I was drinking my reflexes for sure would have been a real problem.

Wasn't Me · Post by **Wasn't Me** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:26 pm

I learned a saying in my other life.

The first ten years enthusiasm keeps you out of trouble , the next ten years experience keeps you out of trouble, and the last ten years the young guys keep youout of trouble. It works for me.

JigglyBus · Post by **JigglyBus** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:42 pm

Hedley,

What kinda forum do you think this is???

Asymptotic??

Is this a big word competition?

That'll really bring out the antiestablishmentarianism in me.

leftyxl · Post by **leftyxl** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:53 pm

not to sound argumentative...But here goes an old fellow who worked for 35 years without so much as a scratch told me you are only as good as your NEXT flight

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:06 pm

I wish I would have kept the magazine so my post could be 100% accurate with names etc. but Aviation International News magazine had a small blurb about a woman who was a flight test examiner who held the post since 1952. At age 95, she retired after accumumlating 57, 620 hours. Now that is a high timer

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:50 pm

I keep applying for her job, and they keep telling me I don't have enough time.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:13 pm

The fixation on how many hours a pilot has is one of the least accurate methods of judging ones true experience and thus skills levels.

There are many, many factors that go into the making of a skilled and knowledgeable aviator and hours flown is not a very good benchmark by which to measure experience.

For example the ongoing argument on Avcanada about how to log instrument flight time is a good example of the quest for hours logged and no real understanding of what exactly they are logging.

When I finally retire I think I will try and figure out how many hours I actually flew in clouds while flying under the instrument flight rules since I first started that stuff in 1957.

Then I can make some new columns such as hours in each country and hours under the control of each language and maybe some day I will figure it all out Insh-Allah.

Cat

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:55 am

just curious wrote:I keep applying for her job, and they keep telling me I don't have enough time.

BusDriver · Post by **BusDriver** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:02 am

To all you Hour "mongers", Cats last post is the most accurate summation to date.

I have 300 hours on the Ho this summer, and about 300 hours on the golf course!

flyinhigh · Post by **flyinhigh** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:48 pm

well I got 50 hours on the golf course this year... eat your heart our joe dirt

oldncold · Post by **oldncold** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:28 am

most would consider 5000 hrs + hi time. Generally THE INSURANCE COMPANIES require 5000 hrs total to be captain on a jet aircraft
There are OF COURSE exceptions.

Since alot of the posts here deal with MAKIN IT to jets there is the goal.
personally i think a guy/gal that has accumulated a wide variety of exp.
is a better judge of that exp.
Example 1500 floats in beaver 185 and otter/then turbine time in caravans and pc-12 then kingair
moving on to to jets

they can use the sop's but when the situation demands it or is not covered by them think outside the box. because there previous exp
taught them to think and often survive without following a bad sop into the weeds.

fly_guy · Post by **fly_guy** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:47 am

'High Time" is anytime that is really high in the sky

Get it... hahaha

How high is "high time"?

How high is "high time"?

hi time

Joke