Manifold Pressure

[pelmet]

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[eh3fifty]

Well said, pelmet.

Trey... Doctoral level? That's an insult to doctoral level discussion. I can't speak for others but I only have a high school diploma to my name - I've done some post secondary education but haven't even got a diploma.

And it's "scary" for a student to get answers to questions you didn't ask? You aren't suited to be an instructor or teacher then. I, as a student, don't want to have to ask the exact question to learn from my instructor - I would hope a leading question would prompt the instructor to get into a discussion where I learned more than I had asked. Those are the good instructors. Those are the instructors you don't forget.

[trey kule]

Sometimes eh350 when someone asks you the time, they just want to know what time it is
They dont want to know the philosophy or history of time keeping, or how a watch works.
Or to be impressed by how much knowledge their instructor has
They just want to know the time.

I once heard the expression here, death by briefing. It is something that good instructors avoid.
They determine what the student is asking, sometimes by clarifying questions to the student, and then they provide the student with the resource reference, or information the student wanted,

Look at the question that was asked by the OP?
Look at their second post

It seems that various regulators, and my students results would challange your claim that I do not deserve to instruct or teach, but everyone has their own opinion about such things.


As to this

Feel free to keep posting guys. The multiple responses creating long threads can frequently be extremely useful for furthering ones knowledge(as long as accurate info is posted) as people post their experiences and knowledge on various angles of a subject. Much better than a quick single response and that is it.
Post Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:24 am

True enough, but dont you think someone should have actually tried to answer the OP's question for them?

I did not have any intention of bad mouthing doctoral levels. Sometimes sarcasm does not come across well on the internet.
Ask a simple question. Long winded, detailed responses, where the posters never really seemed to have grasped the question.

[photofly]

I don't think you actually read anything I write.

[trey kule]

Well, as much as I try not to, sometimes I can't help myself.
A personal failing

[photofly]

Then do me the slight courtesy of spending a minute or two to work out how the "doctoral discussion" that you so abhor fits into a thread with not just an original poster but at least four other contributors, all of whom who can understand and engage in the discussion even if you can't.

You might also do us all the courtesy of correctly identifying which poster you wish to reply to. In that last case, it wasn't me.

[trey kule]

xinxin
I will try and extend you the courtesy of correctly referring to your posts, even if, as you mentioned, I am to stupid to understand their meaning.

Now , my use of doctorsl discussion was meant to be sarcastic, as a simple question was asked, and instead of actually answering it, what I percieve to be was a poster or two that wanted to show us all how smart they really wre, and then, of course, when they were corrected we got thread drift.

And the OP never got their question answered.

Sometimes I just actually feel empathy for someone who asks a simple question and then gets bombarded with these types of responses, under the rationalization that it is all about learning, and those who disagree are just to stupid to understand what is going on....interesting take on objections.

[photofly]

So you missed my clarifying question to the op, and a direction to a very useful resource by John Deakin? Hallmarks, according to you, of good instruction.

The point of a public thread is for lots of people to benefit. I'm indifferent to whether you personally like or dislike my contributions; if you don't, someone else might. But what's still missing from this thread is any substantive input from you. I look forward to reading it.

[pelmet]

It has been quite enjoyable on this forum lately. Some of the other more difficult posters have moved over to the . forum. It should be considered by some as an alternative place for certain styles of discussion.

[hamstandard]

xinxin
I will try and extend you the courtesy of correctly referring to your posts, even if, as you mentioned, I am to stupid to understand their meaning.

Now , my use of doctorsl discussion was meant to be sarcastic, as a simple question was asked, and instead of actually answering it, what I percieve to be was a poster or two that wanted to show us all how smart they really wre, and then, of course, when they were corrected we got thread drift.

And the OP never got their question answered.

Sometimes I just actually feel empathy for someone who asks a simple question and then gets bombarded with these types of responses, under the rationalization that it is all about learning, and those who disagree are just to stupid to understand what is going on....interesting take on objections.

We appreciate your hints about your higher intelligence level and how you have to correct other posters, however, quotes like….

I will try and extend you the courtesy of correctly referring to your posts, even if, as you mentioned, I am to stupid to understand their meaning.

Now , my use of doctorsl discussion was meant to be sarcastic, as a simple question was asked, and instead of actually answering it, what I percieve to be was a poster or two that wanted to show us all how smart they really wre, and then, of course, when they were corrected we got thread drift.

....reinforce the idea that some of the smarter guys proof read their posts to make corrections prior to posting and know that e is usually before I when following the letter C.

I now see how some of these god awful logbook snag entries get made.

[photofly]

I'd still like to hear TK explain "manifold pressure". Not in any nasty kind of way. I'm genuinely interested to read what he has to say.

[Shiny Side Up]

once heard the expression here, death by briefing. It is something that good instructors avoid.
They determine what the student is asking, sometimes by clarifying questions to the student, and then they provide the student with the resource reference, or information the student wanted,

I hate to tell you this Trey, but this isn't a PGI we're talking about, but it was a question asked on an internet forum which by its nature implicitly will have discussion drift, give rise to further related topics and perhaps discussion and dispute. I you don't want a variety of opinions on something, don't want it to be discussed, don't ask a group of people.

What you've read above is exactly the purpose of a place like this and perhaps its chief benefit. The talk as of yet is pretty tame and generally on topic or at least related in a drifting way.

I personally don't especially like photofly's presentation, but he has given reasonable info, and contributed, and possibly at the very least provoked some other interesting responses. I you don't like what people say, don't read it. I you disagree with what they've said, feel free to post a countering arguement. It is, however, not within the spirit of a forum to simply complain about how someone posts if It doesn't break the normal social rules.

Anyhoo, carry on with the talk, its been sort of interesting and informative.

[trey kule]

Well, I am in hiding deeper than a lion whacking tooth puller, having endured the pilloring including my spelling..
Carry on.

[upintheair_]

90's kids will remember.

[Shiny Side Up]

Well, I am in hiding deeper than a lion whacking tooth puller, having endured the pilloring including my spelling..
Carry on.

Why? The subject is about manifold pressure and all related things. I you want to voice an opinion on it, speak up. Or read on. I personally am not that vested into the subject to comment, but i might suggest that you mmay start a topic on questions and their place and appropriate respons in different venues. Ground school vs pgi vs pre flight briefing vs informal discussion.

There, feel free to use the topic, voice your opinion and prepare for countering ones in all the glory that is forum!