Air Canada Salary
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Air Canada Salary
Seems to be a lot of confusion as to what new hires at AC will be paid would anyone be able to post some accurate numbers?
AC Salaries
Try this, although I dont know how current or accurate. You will also find Jazz and some other Canadian carriers listed here.
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/96/11/
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http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/96/11/
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Air Canada Pay
First year is 37,335.72.
Second year is 42,414.96
Third year is 45,552.12
Even WJ and CJ pay more to the FO's for a starting wage. I understand the philosophy behind the Pay Group but those numbers are just to low.
Second year is 42,414.96
Third year is 45,552.12
Even WJ and CJ pay more to the FO's for a starting wage. I understand the philosophy behind the Pay Group but those numbers are just to low.
It's correct. But, factor in perdiums, overtime (if any) and your not looking too bad considering in a few years if you can jump on to an A320, the pay is pretty good once you put some time in.
Currently, I clear more than that but I am willing to take the cut (id rather not, but not much I can do about it) so later on I can have a sweet lifestyle.
Short term pain, long term gain.
Cheers.
Currently, I clear more than that but I am willing to take the cut (id rather not, but not much I can do about it) so later on I can have a sweet lifestyle.
Short term pain, long term gain.
Cheers.
The feet you step on today might be attached to the ass you're kissing tomorrow.
Chase lifestyle not metal.
Chase lifestyle not metal.
The problem with this thinking is that by willingly accepting the "bottom of the barrel " wages AC is offering, you are undercutting that "sweet lifestyle" you so desire in the future.King Air Guy wrote:
Currently, I clear more than that but I am willing to take the cut (id rather not, but not much I can do about it) so later on I can have a sweet lifestyle.
Short term pain, long term gain.
Cheers.
Because of the lull in hiring for so many years, RM knows quite clearly what little pay this present hiring pool of pilots will accept and history has shown he will take advantage of the weakness shown at each & every opportunity....I have watched it time & time again..it only encourage's further wage degradation by management as they reap millions in bonuses at your expense . You are setting the stage for your own demise imo.
-edited to make some sense ....it never pays to be at a keyboard and be in a rush
Last edited by JayDee on Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:00 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Yoyoma,Yoyoma wrote:
JayDee, I don't think you guys are in a position to bargain! Way too many takers
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I have almost 30 years with AC. I have no reasons to worry about bargaining, but I believe the new group of hiree's (sp?) do. My future is cemented. Its their future and the professions future I am concerned about.
Good Luck in your future endeavours,
JayDee
That's what I meant, you guys=the people applying, not you in particular. But I still believe that too many people are willing to do whatever it takes to get up there, and that includes accepting 40K as a start.
If KAG turns it down, there will be plenty of other KAGs out there who will say yes.
Reality of this sad industry!
If KAG turns it down, there will be plenty of other KAGs out there who will say yes.
Reality of this sad industry!
In the business world, the rearview mirror is always clearer than the windshield...W. BuffettRunning out of things to whine about?
Jetsgo’s gone under, WestJet is getting boring (although blastor seems to still enjoy it) as is Canjet…so let’s bitch about AC’s salary.
Would I take 40K to start? Yes. Am I going to like it? No. Why do it then? Because in 5 years I could be earning up to 100K, In 10 years a lot more than that. Which by the way is a hell of a lot more than anyone else in this country - airline wise. Let’s not forget working only 13 days a month and travel benefits that no one else in this country can match.
Besides what choice do I/we have? Say no and let the next 500 applicants jump into the spot? No thanks. I'm not going to be stuck flying a King Air the rest of my career because I disagree with the starting salary. Look long term, and I am, and AC seems like the best bet.
If your happy with your job and don’t want to move, that’s great. But don’t blame us who take arguable the best airline job in Canada for ruining this industry. It was screwed long before this recent hiring spurt.
Besides, AC just got out of bankruptcy protection, you can’t expect them to be able to pay what they once where right away.
Cheers.
Jetsgo’s gone under, WestJet is getting boring (although blastor seems to still enjoy it) as is Canjet…so let’s bitch about AC’s salary.
Would I take 40K to start? Yes. Am I going to like it? No. Why do it then? Because in 5 years I could be earning up to 100K, In 10 years a lot more than that. Which by the way is a hell of a lot more than anyone else in this country - airline wise. Let’s not forget working only 13 days a month and travel benefits that no one else in this country can match.
Besides what choice do I/we have? Say no and let the next 500 applicants jump into the spot? No thanks. I'm not going to be stuck flying a King Air the rest of my career because I disagree with the starting salary. Look long term, and I am, and AC seems like the best bet.
If your happy with your job and don’t want to move, that’s great. But don’t blame us who take arguable the best airline job in Canada for ruining this industry. It was screwed long before this recent hiring spurt.
Besides, AC just got out of bankruptcy protection, you can’t expect them to be able to pay what they once where right away.
Cheers.
The feet you step on today might be attached to the ass you're kissing tomorrow.
Chase lifestyle not metal.
Chase lifestyle not metal.
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Well guys 10 years ago the starting salary at AC was 29K and 20 years ago a new hire oiler on the 727 was just above the poverty level.
The salary hit in the beginning is nothing new and 40K is well above the poverty level unlike 20 years ago. However, the flat salary used to have a finite lifetime of 2 years. This pay group, depending on movement, will haunt you until you can hold the 320 right seat.
Symantecs and a gamble. Without risk, no reward. That simple. IMHO.
KAG........go for it, you will forever wonder otherwise.
JS
The salary hit in the beginning is nothing new and 40K is well above the poverty level unlike 20 years ago. However, the flat salary used to have a finite lifetime of 2 years. This pay group, depending on movement, will haunt you until you can hold the 320 right seat.
Symantecs and a gamble. Without risk, no reward. That simple. IMHO.
KAG........go for it, you will forever wonder otherwise.
JS
Jaydee
Working 13 days or 17 days...both sound good to me. I realise right now there a little tight for crews so yeah there going to have to work more. I'm thinking 10 years down the road when they are at a full compliment.
"go east young man"
I'm from the east and the industry was never good at the best of times; too many pilots, not enough jobs, same old story. I hope you’re not referring to Canjet as being the long term, stable company to work for. Aside from quick upgrades, working 24 days a month for Ok pay at best, doesn't sound all that enticing, especially given who owns the company and his past track record with airlines. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to come home, but I just don’t see it…working for an eastern operator anyway. Maybe I’m wrong, I truly hope I am.
You also mentioned that "your generation" screwed the industry. I’m not sure about that either. The plane has gone the way of the train - it's just another mode of transportation, no longer the romantic elite form it once was. Salary’s were bound to decline, but let’s face it, making 100K plus is a pretty good salary.
“Without being derogatory......PLS WAKE UP...the days of big bucks are OVER”
We actually agree (except on the PLS wake up part, I’m very much awake, although a little tired, it’s 6:30 AM), and I do understand this. But AC salaries are the highest in our industry even with the latest cuts…by a long shot. Also, with AC returning to profitability, do you think the unions are going to let Milton keep reducing the pay? I don’t think so. There going to increase – but not to where they once where.If you can get on to an A320 or bigger, life will be very good. The RJ isn't all that bad given enough time.
JS, I am going for it…every 2 weeks actually. Like everyone, I’m just trying to be patient and hope for a call.
Cheers.
Working 13 days or 17 days...both sound good to me. I realise right now there a little tight for crews so yeah there going to have to work more. I'm thinking 10 years down the road when they are at a full compliment.
"go east young man"
I'm from the east and the industry was never good at the best of times; too many pilots, not enough jobs, same old story. I hope you’re not referring to Canjet as being the long term, stable company to work for. Aside from quick upgrades, working 24 days a month for Ok pay at best, doesn't sound all that enticing, especially given who owns the company and his past track record with airlines. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to come home, but I just don’t see it…working for an eastern operator anyway. Maybe I’m wrong, I truly hope I am.
You also mentioned that "your generation" screwed the industry. I’m not sure about that either. The plane has gone the way of the train - it's just another mode of transportation, no longer the romantic elite form it once was. Salary’s were bound to decline, but let’s face it, making 100K plus is a pretty good salary.
“Without being derogatory......PLS WAKE UP...the days of big bucks are OVER”
We actually agree (except on the PLS wake up part, I’m very much awake, although a little tired, it’s 6:30 AM), and I do understand this. But AC salaries are the highest in our industry even with the latest cuts…by a long shot. Also, with AC returning to profitability, do you think the unions are going to let Milton keep reducing the pay? I don’t think so. There going to increase – but not to where they once where.If you can get on to an A320 or bigger, life will be very good. The RJ isn't all that bad given enough time.
JS, I am going for it…every 2 weeks actually. Like everyone, I’m just trying to be patient and hope for a call.
Cheers.
The feet you step on today might be attached to the ass you're kissing tomorrow.
Chase lifestyle not metal.
Chase lifestyle not metal.
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It does and it doesn'tNew Guy wrote:Does anyone have any info on Air Canada's per diem. Does your per diem rate depend on the aircraft you fly?
It depends more on where you go. If you are doing U.K or European layovers it is higher than if you are doing Canadian layovers because it is that much more expensive in Europe. So indirectly it does depend on what you are flying but it is not aircraft specific. Clear as mud....right?
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Gelbisch
The company boards crew meals or we will sometimes have a left over J class meal. I haven't seen anyone brown bag it except for some healthy snacks. F/A's on the other hand are packing lunches more often because they are too smart to eat the crap onboard the airplanes these days.
Jay Dee
Just to add to your post. About 15 years ago, a truck driver earning $15 per hour could pull up to the McDonalds drive thru and order lunch from a kid earning $5 per hour.
Today that same truck driver now earning about $17.50 and hour pulls up to the drive thru and is served by a kid earning $10 per hour.
Just an illustration that yes the salaries of a skilled trade like aviation are diminshing while unskilled labour demands a higher income.
The company boards crew meals or we will sometimes have a left over J class meal. I haven't seen anyone brown bag it except for some healthy snacks. F/A's on the other hand are packing lunches more often because they are too smart to eat the crap onboard the airplanes these days.
Jay Dee
Just to add to your post. About 15 years ago, a truck driver earning $15 per hour could pull up to the McDonalds drive thru and order lunch from a kid earning $5 per hour.
Today that same truck driver now earning about $17.50 and hour pulls up to the drive thru and is served by a kid earning $10 per hour.
Just an illustration that yes the salaries of a skilled trade like aviation are diminshing while unskilled labour demands a higher income.
Jaques, stop acting so politically correct, by mentioning unskilled labour you wouldn't mean, fa's/rampies/csa's all making more than pilots, gotta love the truck driver analgy though.
I for one am getting a little sick of the me too clauses in the unskilled contracts.
I really thought this would have been sorted out in ccaa.
I for one am getting a little sick of the me too clauses in the unskilled contracts.
I really thought this would have been sorted out in ccaa.
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