Aircraft landing without other aircraft down and clear.

W0XOF · Post by **W0XOF** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:23 am

Where exactly did I mention contravening CARS by broadcasting, or advocating of same, directly to other pilots in an operating MF environment?

Isn't this a quote from your post???

+1. Hence my question. Not to mention repeating the same traffic to 3 different people can result in a lot of radio clutter, which can mean # 4 can't broadcast in a timely manner. It's a some what, can be confusing (to new pilots) half control setup. When it's really busy it's worse than simple UC when pilots can directly work out conflicts. Other times it's OK I guess. JMO

Rookie50 · Post by **Rookie50** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:39 pm

W0XOF · Post by **W0XOF** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:25 pm

Wow............

I was only replying to what you had written in your post. I'm not a mind reader. I'm not sure how I would have realized that you actually didn't mean "broadcast" when that is the term that you used, especially when the term broadcast actually means something specific in aviation.

For the record, I do have the utmost respect for pilots and the work they do. Because of pilots, I have a career that I enjoy and has afforded me and my family a good life. On a work day, I spend more time talking to pilots than I do my own wife. I also have several very good friends who are pilots, from the airlines to tanker pilots to GA.

All the best.

Rookie50 · Post by **Rookie50** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:34 pm

photofly · Post by **photofly** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:36 pm

You could accurately say that any radio transmission is a broadcast, even if addressed to only one station. So you're both right. Now kiss and makeup.

Rookie50 · Post by **Rookie50** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:37 pm

W0XOF · Post by **W0XOF** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:04 pm

You used the term broadcast, not me.

"Broadcasting" is used in MF's without a ground station or an ATF. It's specific in the CAR's reference. If you don't understand the terms you are using and somebody points out what the term means, or you realize you have used it wrong, use it as a learning experience. Pretty hard to understand somebody's post if they don't know what they're talking about and then they feel sorry for themselves and get mad when they realize it.

I included the CAR's reference because low time pilots who have only flown in tower environments generally don't know MF procedures at an aerodrome with an FSS and they do broadcast. Your incorrect use of the term doesn't help that.

Why didn't you just say that broadcast isn't the term you meant without all the drama???

This is a good forum and members will challenge you. I wasn't trying to be rude or offend you, but you used a term that has a specific use in aviation and I could only assume you knew what it meant and you meant what you posted. You're fault, not mine.

photofly · Post by **photofly** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:12 pm

broad·cast
ˈbrôdˌkast/
verb
1.
transmit (a program or some information) by radio or television.
"the announcement was broadcast live"

Don't see anything about MFs there. I make radio broadcasts to the tower controller all day long.

W0XOF · Post by **W0XOF** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:14 pm

Your radio broaddcasts, you direct communications to the tower. That's the difference.

photofly · Post by **photofly** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:16 pm

No, I'm pretty sure I broadcast on the tower frequency using my radio. I'll check tomorrow. Or maybe it's just the antenna that does the broadcasting, I direct communications to the tower, and the radio modulates my voice onto an RF carrier which the RG59a coax transmits to the antenna. Probably more accurately, to the BNC connector on the base of the antenna. Or perhaps it's not my voice that's modulated perhaps it's the waveform that matches my voice as transduced by the microphone. Or more accurately, transduced by the magnet moving in a tiny coil of wire within the microphone that does the transducing. And maybe it's the dielectric in the coax that really does the transmission and the copper conductors merely support the electric field. Who knows.

W0XOF · Post by **W0XOF** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:19 pm

I'm pretty sure you don't Marconi. Pretty distinct difference in CAR's between a traffic broadcast and directing communications.

photofly · Post by **photofly** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:26 pm

I don't think he said a "traffic broadcast" which is a noun. He said broadcast, as a verb. Do the CARs mention the verb to broadcast? I can't remember.

W0XOF · Post by **W0XOF** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:30 pm

This is an aviation forum and not an RF theory forum. The cheese certainly does stand alone..........

Rookie50 · Post by **Rookie50** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:39 pm

W0XOF · Post by **W0XOF** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:42 pm

Haha!

Rookie50 · Post by **Rookie50** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:42 pm

photofly · Post by **photofly** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:44 pm

I'll let you know tomorrow if I broadcast to the tower, or if I direct my communications. I'm leaning towards the former, at the moment.

W0XOF · Post by **W0XOF** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:46 pm

You were wrong, get over it.

W0XOF · Post by **W0XOF** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:50 pm

If you start your communications by saying "Boundry Bay Tower...." you're directing communications. If it's "Boundry Bay Traffic...." you're broadcasting. Look, I just saved you time. No need to get back to me or think about it anymore.

photofly · Post by **photofly** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:50 pm

What if I open my broadcast with "Boundary Bay Tower"?

W0XOF · Post by **W0XOF** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:53 pm

You answered your own question. If you state the name of the ground station, you are directing communications, not broadcasting.

photofly · Post by **photofly** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:12 pm

If I'm not broadcasting, how is it that everyone else can hear me? This is very confusing and difficult to understand.

W0XOF · Post by **W0XOF** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:18 pm

I figured you were having trouble. Ask any other pilot, they can help.

W0XOF · Post by **W0XOF** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:21 pm

Geez, I figured out how you've ran you're post count up so high! One in every forum.........

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