No-Expiry IFR?

[Hedley]

I was told there will be hardly any change. You will still need to do a ride every 2 years with a DPE.

The only change is that the ride is no longer punitive, which was unique to Canada.

[Chaxterium]

Not punitive how?

[Big Pistons Forever]

As it was explained to me the 2 yr IFR renewal flight test with a PE would be replaced with "recurent training" with a "qualified person" (yet to be specified but probably anybody with an ATPL and meeting certain expereince requirements). The intent is that the training could be tailored to the needs of the student, so you could concentate on weak areas or stuff that you may be rusty on (helo holds ). The qualified person could not fail you, they could only decline to endorse your rating. It also sounds like all the TC paperwork will disappear and renewing you rating would be a simple log book endorsement with no report going to TC.

I think it is a positive step. but unfortuantely when I talked to a Fed last month he said it was not a TC "priority" so don't hold your breath.

TC Guy or A regulator: Do you have any better info ?

[Chaxterium]

Will this effect PPCs in any way?

[Hedley]

I was told the qualifications for doing a re-ride were not going to be dropped from the current requirements for a DPE-instrument as per TP14277 (see below) which precious few flight instructors meet.

So really, not much is going to change. You still will have to go to the same people (DPE) every 2 years and do the same thing.

Not sure why everyone is so excited about that.

Prerequisites for Pilot Examiner Accreditation:
Instrument Rating – Aeroplanes and Helicopters:
(a) hold the minimum licence and experience qualifications specified in CAR 425.21(9);
(b) hold a Class 1 or Class 2 Flight Instructor Rating;
(c) have at least 2,000 hours pilotincommand
(including 500 hours in multiengine
aeroplanes); or
(d) have at least 2,500 hours pilotincommand
(including 500 hours in multiengine
helicopters); and
(e) have at least 500 hours instrument flight time in aeroplanes or 200 hours instrument flight time in
helicopters;
(f) have conducted at least 300 hours flight instruction toward the issuance of an Instrument Rating;
(g) have successfully completed a biennial renewal of the Instrument Rating with an authorised
Transport Canada Inspector, a Canadian Type A Approved Check Pilot or a Pilot Examiner;
or alternatively,
(a) hold an Airline Transport Pilot Licence;
(b) hold the minimum licence and experience qualifications specified in CAR 425.21(9);
(c) have at least 3,000 hours total flight time;
(d) have at least 2,000 hours pilotincommand
in aeroplanes (including 500 hours in multiengine
aeroplanes); or
(e) have at least 2,500 hours pilotincommand
in helicopters (including 500 hours in multiengine
helicopters); and
(f) have at least 500 hours instrument flight time in aeroplanes or 200 hours instrument flight time in
helicopters, including, in either case, at least 100 hours instrument flight time as pilotincommand;
(g) have conducted at least 200 hours flight instruction toward the issuance of an Instrument Rating;
(h) have successfully completed a biennial renewal of the Instrument Rating with an authorised
Transport Canada Inspector, a Canadian Pilot Examiner or a Type A Approved Check Pilot.

[The Old Fogducker]

So tell me .... how is "declining to endorse your rating" any different than flunking a test because of some weakness in performance?

Sounds like a bunch of "PC Hooey" to me .... "oh, Joe Schmoe, you aren't competant enough for me to sign you off," but you're saved the embarassment of being told you don't meet the standard.

Relates to our educational standard though ... heaven forfreeking bid a kid should be flunked and held back a grade ... after all, he/she would be separated from their friends and may his their self-esteem diminished.

Oh, but that would be so ..... judgemental.

The Old Fogducker

[Big Pistons Forever]

The fact that not a lot of Flight Instructors meet the requirements is not IMO necessarily a bad thing. Most instructors teaching IFR have only flown between the same 3 airports and have zero practical IFR experience. Therefore recurrent training from them is probably going to be long on IFR trivia and short on the practical application of real world IFR skills. There are large numbers of commerial pilots flying the line IFR everyday that meet the PE requirements and have a lot of real world IFR tips to impart. They IMO have a lot more to offer when conducting recurrent training than the average IFR instructor, some of who have never seen the inside of a cloud.

[midwingcrisis]

Does anyone have any updated information as when this will happen and scope of change?

[tbeshr]

Greetings fellow bloglings,

It is with interest that I searched for this topic and discovered this thread. Why? Well, my ATPL license sticker came in the mail today (a relief as I always freak when getting an unexpected TC letter...) and my Group 1 has NO EXPIRY. I'm guessing that the new 'rule' is now in force and while we need to maintain IFR currency, the onus is on us rather than having TC monitor. It seems that the intent by TC is to align with the US since my FAA rating also has no expiry - but it departs from ICAO which is a concern.

Any words of wisdom?

[Notta Simfalt]

Have a look 6 threads down. Discussed at length.