VFR in IMC - Kasper Aviation

[Jean-Pierre]

Shut it down. We all know how this is going to end. TC needs to man up for once and do the right thing before the inevitable happens.

[single_swine_herder]

Great in theory .... so TC goes onto the site and kicks the door in with RCMP assistance, finds a problem .... (Ah Ha ... we have 'em now!) and then grabs the AOC off the wall and drops it into their portable licence shredder.

Do you think that's all there is in the legal system?

No .... they can't operate like that because there are laws to prevent it from happening. Then there is several levels of appeal, followed by civil court and lawsuits.

And if they did "man up," this thread would immediately turn nasty ... really, really nasty about how TC overstepped their authority and now we are living in a police state with jackboot wearing inspectors carrying out vendettas against poor little guys just trying to make a living, and things can't be all that bad because nobody has been killed.

TC haters would come back for one of their famous diatribes about how the only reason anyone at TC wakes up in the morning is to try and find some new way to screw over aviation.

[Illya Kuryakin]

Perhaps we shall revisit the subject at their first funeral.
Illya

[CpnCrunch]

Great in theory .... so TC goes onto the site and kicks the door in with RCMP assistance, finds a problem .... (Ah Ha ... we have 'em now!) and then grabs the AOC off the wall and drops it into their portable licence shredder.

I think people expect TC to at least do a little investigation after multiple former employees report unsafe practices. (And if said former employees aren't reporting the problems, that is a problem in itself).

[Gannet167]

Nav Canada has an obligation to report if they observe something outside the rules. If a violation is on tape and they don't report it, the FSS operator gets violated for looking the other way. This is why they may report the CADORS event, and allow TC to decide if further action is required or not. If they fail to report and it's discovered after the fact, they are in trouble. It's not them, it's the rules that compel them to report. And judging from this CADORS, as a member of our profession, and from time to time a travelling member of the public as a passenger, I'm glad the system worked as intended in this case.

As was well pointed out by Blueontop, this is why our profession is part of the safest way to travel and why so many advancements have been made in safety in the last few decades. It's why Sully Sullenburger pointed out that the medical profession is where aviation was 50 years ago.

[Jean-Pierre]

It's more likely that this operator has stepped on enough toes in their short life that they have a big target on their back now. Otters are likely flying in and around cloud all summer long in YXL and never get reported like this. Piss enough people off though and local community are going to find ways to make your life difficult.

[single_swine_herder]

I think people expect TC to at least do a little investigation after multiple former employees report unsafe practices. (And if said former employees aren't reporting the problems, that is a problem in itself).

And there is the problem .... most likely nobody has complained, or have done so "anonymously" and won`t put a signature to the report and therefore nothing can be done with it, or the note was written so the individual simply came across as a highly disgruntled employee with an axe to grind .... real, or perceived.

[J31]

Transport Canada does have this website to speak up and report about aviation safety.

It is: "Civil Aviation Issues Reporting System: Request for Review" and it does have selection to "remain completely anonymous"

http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/2/C ... x?lang=eng

From the main site however TC may not take action:

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/ ... nu-209.htm

Our commitment upon receiving a report

Transport Canada will review every report submitted through CAIRS and will take action where applicable. Please note, in some cases the department may not agree with the report in which case it will not take action. Also, some issues may not be prioritized for immediate action and may take time to resolve. Regardless, the report allows Transport Canada to be aware of and document issues raised by the aviation community that are the responsibility of Transport Canada. Regardless of the outcome of our review, Transport Canada will provide the stakeholder a response.

TC's response to your input may vary.........

[Hornblower]

Shut it down. We all know how this is going to end. TC needs to man up for once and do the right thing before the inevitable happens.

Why don't you man up and deliver your non-compliance report along with a complete evidence package to TC that supports the grounds under which you feel TC should suspend/cancel an operator's OC.

This is not pre-war Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, nor the movie "Minority Report". There are laws and legal procedures that should (God damn better) be followed, and you better hope they are, because nobody on here wants to be the subject of jack-boot style government interference in your business or daily life.

For all you safety wankers and Keystone/Kaspar haters out there ... be careful what you wish for!

[Meatservo]

For all you safety wankers and Keystone/Kaspar haters out there ... be careful what you wish for!

I wish people in piston-driven single-engine aeroplanes (or any other kind of plane actually) would refrain from conducting pseudo-instrument approaches in controlled airspace without clearances in instrument meteorological conditions.

[phillyfan]

The requirements for Operational Control Personnel should really be looked at for issuance of a Certificate. 500 hours for a Chief Pilot is way too low. A guy can be an Ops Manager, if he managed his own paper route in the past. It's not for Transport to deny Certificates. They simply check off the boxes. The lack of experience results in Chief Pilots who are just "yes men" and Ops Managers who have no clue what Operational Control even is, let alone how to effectively maintain it.

[Hornblower]

I wish people in piston-driven single-engine aeroplanes (or any other kind of plane actually) would refrain from conducting pseudo-instrument approaches in controlled airspace without clearances in instrument meteorological conditions.

You have wished carefully Meat (unlike JP who wished for TC to "man-up"). Philly seems also to have wished carefully; good to see my advice is being heeded.

[phillyfan]

"Keystone/Kaspar haters out there ... be careful what you wish for!"

Looks like they got half the wishes answered. http://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/keystone-air ... -1.2651215

[Maynard]

Good to know the crash in June 2002 was just an "Incident"

[tipsails]

Well... you know what else was an "incident?"



Looks pretty haggard for just being an "incident.''

I wonder who is the one who labels each as such.

[switchflicker]

It's just a kinder, gentler world we now live in. That's all.

[snoopy]

I wish people in piston-driven single-engine aeroplanes (or any other kind of plane actually) would refrain from conducting pseudo-instrument approaches in controlled or uncontrolled airspace without clearances in instrument meteorological conditions.

Fixed that for you. Contrary to popular belief, "pseudo-instrument approaches" conducted by non-approved pilot(s), improperly equipped in non-approved aircraft and/or using non-approved and/or inadequate instrumentation is illegal in any kind of airspace.

Cheers,
snoopy

[Illya Kuryakin]

EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HAVE STUCK YOUR NOSES INTO IMC WHILE FLYING VFR!
Or you're all full of crap. I know it's happened to me. I know it's happened to you.
Trick is, don't make it SOP.
Illya

[Illya Kuryakin]

I wish people in piston-driven single-engine aeroplanes (or any other kind of plane actually) would refrain from conducting pseudo-instrument approaches in controlled or uncontrolled airspace without clearances in instrument meteorological conditions.

Fixed that for you. Contrary to popular belief, "pseudo-instrument approaches" conducted by non-approved pilot(s), improperly equipped in non-approved aircraft and/or using non-approved and/or inadequate instrumentation is illegal in any kind of airspace.

Cheers,
snoopy

Except that, there is nothing illegal about operating in IMC in uncontrolled airspace without a clearance.
I do instrument approaches almost daily in uncontrolled airspace without a clearance. Where would one even get a clearance to do an instrument approach in Armpit Gultch?
Illya

[Hornblower]

I wish people in piston-driven single-engine aeroplanes (or any other kind of plane actually) would refrain from conducting pseudo-instrument approaches in controlled or uncontrolled airspace without clearances in instrument meteorological conditions.

Fixed that for you. Contrary to popular belief, "pseudo-instrument approaches" conducted by non-approved pilot(s), improperly equipped in non-approved aircraft and/or using non-approved and/or inadequate instrumentation is illegal in any kind of airspace.

Cheers,
snoopy

I'll fix that for you snoop, the pilot was qualified the aircraft is certified and the equipment was as required, perhaps meat was right about the pseudo thing, ... have to look at the radar tracks.

You're not still whining about the beavers and otters in YRL are you?

[CpnCrunch]

Fixed that for you. Contrary to popular belief, "pseudo-instrument approaches" conducted by non-approved pilot(s), improperly equipped in non-approved aircraft and/or using non-approved and/or inadequate instrumentation is illegal in any kind of airspace.

Cheers,
snoopy

Except that, there is nothing illegal about operating in IMC in uncontrolled airspace without a clearance.
I do instrument approaches almost daily in uncontrolled airspace without a clearance. Where would one even get a clearance to do an instrument approach in Armpit Gultch?
Illya

Snoopy was talking about "psuedo" instrument approaches, not instrument approaches.

[snoopy]

Thank you CpnCrunch! Your reading comprehension skills are to be commended!
Cheers,
snoopy

[Maynard]

I wish people in piston-driven single-engine aeroplanes (or any other kind of plane actually) would refrain from conducting pseudo-instrument approaches in controlled or uncontrolled airspace without clearances in instrument meteorological conditions.

Fixed that for you. Contrary to popular belief, "pseudo-instrument approaches" conducted by non-approved pilot(s), improperly equipped in non-approved aircraft and/or using non-approved and/or inadequate instrumentation is illegal in any kind of airspace.

Cheers,
snoopy

I'll fix that for you snoop, the pilot was qualified the aircraft is certified and the equipment was as required, perhaps meat was right about the pseudo thing, ... have to look at the radar tracks.

You're not still whining about the beavers and otters in YRL are you?

So does Kasper have an ops spec that because the pilot holds and ifr rating, and the airplane is ifr equipped, they can choose to fly either IMC or VMC at their leisure with or without clearances??

[grimey]

It's more likely that this operator has stepped on enough toes in their short life that they have a big target on their back now. Otters are likely flying in and around cloud all summer long in YXL and never get reported like this. Piss enough people off though and local community are going to find ways to make your life difficult.

That'd be my guess. I certainly saw pilots do this while I was an FSS in Thompson. Say they had the runway in sight then pop out of cloud lined up for the tower instead of 23 (24 now I guess). Followed by a sheepish newfie accent saying they were circling around for 05.

[trey kule]

Trick is, don't make it SOP.

That is more than a bit difficult for many to understand, particularily with all the bragging and bravado that goes on in the hangar and crewhouses.