Racial Profiling

[bob sacamano]

It's too cold up here for terrorists. Nowadays, terrorists are from countries without snow.

-istp

So out to lunch it gave me a few chuckles...

Timothy McVeigh grew up in Buffalo, NY...bastards, they're so lucky they don't get snow.

[2R]

Try farming in Africa if you want to learn about racial profiling.
Try doing business in asia and you will also get a lesson about racial profiling.

[55+]

It has been said that war is God's way of teacking Americans Geography

[confuzed]

I believe the US, as a world leader needs to be more proactive in riding the world of tryants, rather than appease them. I'm not sure who said it "but those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it"
floats

By tyrants if you mean Saddam Hussein, wasn't it the US government that helped put him into power in the first place?? If you look really deep on the internet (things to do when you're bored on nightshift), it's amazing some of the things you can find out. I was reading a site the other night, and apparently the Bush family and the Bin Laden family are good friends. I'll have to find the site though, since there's tonnes of prime examples of conspiracy going on. I too think this all has to do with the oil, and this site goes to town with that theory. Stay tuned, and I'll try to find the site so maybe someone more observant then myself can disprove it.

[LostinRotation]

By tyrants if you mean Saddam Hussein, wasn't it the US government that helped put him into power in the first place??

apparently the Bush family and the Bin Laden family are good friends.

The Saudi's are the people that funded GW's business ventures when he was younger..... as for Saddam, they placed him in power with hopes they could control him and have someone to rattle a sword every now and then. Rumsfeld and Saddam used to be good friends with the U.S selling him "WMD's"...( I guess this is forshadowing). When Saddam approaced the U.S about Kuwaits slant drilling practices he was told " We have no official stance on Kuwait " ....so basically do whatever the hell you want....so he did what any American president would have done...he went to war in the attempt to protect his Oil fields. He was immediately attacked by the Americans that had just sold him conventional and biological weapons...

....so it worked out as planned...Saddam rattles a sword, the Americans justify billions on weapons, Saddam is left in power for future reasons with less than 40% of his initial force and Kuwait becomes 2/3rds American military base.

If this was chess, I would have to say, well played.


-=0=LIR=0=-

[55+]

Its said war is Gods way of teaching Americans history and geography

[bob sacamano]

LIR, correct.

Saddam was used by the americans. ayatollah khomaini of iran was more of a threat to the americans than saddam . The French sold saddam the choppers that were later used against the kurds. The French thought he was going to use them for agricultural operations , however, he used them as biological and chemical weapons instead . The iran / iraq war was sponsored by the americans to keep those two busy, and to weaken iran (remember the iranian hostage situation, u.s. embassy tehran). Just like bin laden of saudi, asaad of syria, saddam was one of many tyrants that were used by the americans as an easy way out or quick fix. Now we are seeing that these tyrans are being taken out one by one , replaced by some others ofcourse. They started with el taliban, saddam regime, asaad got kicked out of Lebanon, now iran and syria should be next, N.Korea ofcourse can't be too far off.

[swede]

The war on terror is a FUCKING JOKE. There may be a terrorist threat, but there are way more dangerous threats out there.


-istp

All very correct.. The war on Terror is the biggest crock of shit to ever come down the pike. It has been be no more effective or sincerely fought than the War on Drugs, has anyone heard of that line of shit?? In the context of who exactly were the perps of the 911 attacks, one has merely to look at who gained by them. Any crime investigator will tell you that is basic criminology 101. Did Osama (if he even exists other than as a cia tool and fabrication) - NO, did the Afghans or Iraq or Saddam Hussein anyone else that bush has chosen to decimate - NO! The only benefactors of 911 are those people who have defense and oil contracts and those who see to it where they are awarded. Connect the dots, war on terror - my shattered ass.

[monkeyspankmasterflex]

Yeah...the Americans purposely put a stop to the steady healthy growth of their economy through the late nineties by divising 9-11 so that their economy and dollar could take a shit kicking and they could kill thousands of their own at the same time? Don't get me wrong, I believe Bush is a retard, I was dumbfounded by the decision to go into Iraq, however, the conspiracy theorist trolling on these threads is fucking absurd...hook line and sinker I guess. Man I wish I could go back in time and whoop myself a hippy.

On another note, Swede I've got a line on some great vacation property down in Florida. Interested?

[swede]

Yeah Mr. Monkey - I'll buy all the property you got in FL as soon as you explain to me, step by step, how WTC 7 collapsed all by its lonesome (just to refresh your memory, WTC 7 was the 47 story steel building that fell down and had a big owie booboo on 911, it didnt get hit by any big bad airplanes piloted by 172 camel jockeys either), I know it's a tough question, so don't twist your skull thinking about it, let me know tho when you do figure it out, i'd really like to move to hurricaneville and take up res next to jebediah -hes my hero. I also never said "Americans" somehow like a bunch of witless lemmings put 911 together, give your head a shake..If you think bush, cheney, rummy, rove, wolfowitz or any other of those bastards give a rats ass about the people of the states, I have a really big bridge to sell ya.

[hazatude]

Swede is one of those Moorists that we hear about in the news.

[monkeyspankmasterflex]

Suede

I'm no architect but I might guess that the buildings share common support structures, but I'm probably way off, it's probably some secret splinter unit of the FBI who stacked the building with all the X-files and created the event of Sept 11 to act as a diversion so that they could destroy the evidence of extra-terrestrial life forms without being probed by the liberal media. If you think I'm wrong at least you're starting to learn that just because something is on the internet doesn't mean it's necessarily true.

big owie booboo

..you're one strange cat

[swede]

Ha - yeah im strange , check out your avatar and you say Im strange Nice explanation on wtc 7, still not interested on any land deals tho, if you had any sort of critical mind you would ask some of the hard questions, your either too scared you might find out some disturbing truth, or like most people, you couldnt give a shit, just blame it on some rag heads and cheer on the chicken hawks like bush, good plan.



ps: your right, you cannot believe everything you read on the internet, that is why people publish the following, to give an objective viewpoint as opposed to being spoon fed bias from cnn or whatever mainstream is being used.. http://www.financialoutrage.org.uk/911_ ... _media.htm

[hazatude]

Ha - yeah im strange , check out your avatar and you say Im strange Nice explanation on wtc 7, still not interested on any land deals tho, if you had any sort of critical mind you would ask some of the hard questions, your either too scared you might find out some disturbing truth, or like most people, you couldnt give a shit, just blame it on some rag heads and cheer on the chicken hawks like bush, good plan.



ps: your right, you cannot believe everything you read on the internet, that is why people publish the following, to give an objective viewpoint as opposed to being spoon fed bias from cnn or whatever mainstream is being used.. http://www.financialoutrage.org.uk/911_ ... _media.htm

Actually..

I'd rather believe our friends that brought us such classics as Titanic and BioDome. That's right. I love the USA. My friends in wartime and in peace. If you don't agree with THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...I suggest that you sign up at your nearest COMMIE recruitment centre...or switch to radical Islam and lop my head off like the infidel I am!

Thank you and good night!

Greg Haza

oh...read:


http://www.hinduunity.org/articles/isla ... mmain.html

[Ender]

On racial profiling:

Right or wrong, it will only become more extensive as things get worse. When that dirty bomb or suitcase nuke goes off somewhere in the western world, the hammer will truly fall and civil liberties will effectively disappear -- across the board, white or brown. Muslim organizations will be under constant attack and ostracization from not only government agencies, but from the general public. Once panic sets in understanding disappears.

Effectively, muslims can be divided into five groups:

1 - Radical Extremists; willing to kill children and themselves for Allah (so they think).

2 - Extremists; too chicken shit to kill themselves, but support the actions of the radicals and are happy when a busload of western children is blown up. These are the ones you see cheering in the streets across the globe whenever there is a major terrorist attack. They are no small group or "0.0000001%" by any means. They are a SIGNIFICANT chunk of the muslim population around the world.

3 - Fundamentalists; don't necessarily agree with the killing, but are followers of the Qur'an word for word, supporting the oppression of women and the idea that all non-muslims are worthless. These people are dirt, just like the others above and are, by far, the largest chunk of the nation of Islam.

4 - Moderates; made up mostly of either older generation western muslims or highly educated muslims from around the world. These could be considered the "enlightened" muslims. They accept that times and values change, and that the Qur'an is up for interpretation, just like the bible. While they still follow the teachings of their religion, they are flexible in its implementation.

5 - The lazy ones; these are the young western angst-ridden muslims, children of the moderates, that have lived their entire lives in the western world and are just as stupid and whiny as all the other kids in their class. Not likely to support terrorism, but are angered by the way their people in the rest of the world are treated by the hypocracy of the western nations. Understandably.

The important thing to note here is that groups 2 to 5 all, to some extent, have some idea of the identities of the members of group 1. Whether directly or indirectly, these other four groups are privy to the knowledge of who and where the radicals are. This is the problem, because the people who can do the most to end terrorism are the ones with the most to lose in this escalating situation, and they are doing effectively nothing to stop it. All I can say is: Start policing your own people before that hammer does fall. Because once it happens, your lives will be nightmares.

On the issue of conspiracies:

To believe that the actions of any government are for the greater good of the people is to be blind. Governments now exist to further the gains of corporations and to fill the pockets of all parties involved.

Do yourselves a favour and read The Best Democracy Money Can Buy by Greg Palast. It will do much to open your eyes and make you sick.

monkeyspankmasterflex: A popular misconception seems to be that because the U.S. is the U.S., their motivations must be virtuous. Historically, in times of fear and unrest, governments move to seize greater power over their own people. Would you say that the general population of Germany was evil when Hitler entered the scene? They were just people, who wanted a leader that could bring them out of the poverty of post-WWI Germany. How about the Russians during the Communist revolution? They just wanted a better life for their children and freedom from Czarist oppression. Both groups were led down a virtuous-seeming path that ended in horror.

But we're talking about AMERICA, man! They'd never let their government go to those extremes. Right? Sure. America was built on the backs of MILLIONS of slaves. Those blacks were effectively interned in labour camps. They were tortured, murdered, raped, and worked to death for THREE HUNDRED YEARS. Why is it that North American blacks are so muscular and are so good at athletics? If you compare them to their african counterparts, they are titans. This is due to the fact that slaves were actually bred, like dogs, to be more physically powerful, enabling them to be more productive labourers. How does that make you feel? The point is that evil IS in the American psyche. Espescially in the South.

Wake up.

[Bede]

Ender,

Good classifications of muslim. That's a better description than most of the media uses. ie. all fundementalists are bombers, etc. I don't quite agree with the rest though.

Getting back to the racial profiling question. If a bunch of crazies went and blew up abortion clinics, wouldn't you start looking for fundementalist Christians, perhaps at baptist churches, since their is some sort of a trend? Doesn't the same apply to any other crime?

[swede]

Ender:

Good post, Greg Palast is on the front lines of exposing what governments are up to.

[inverter]

So if the Americans start with racial profiling, where will they draw the line?

If I am correct by mid 2006 all of us wanting to go the US require a passport, cause we are no longer the friendly neighbours of the north. Some european countries now require a biometric card to enter the US. Otherwise it is not allowed to enter because you could be an imposter. Heck didn't a flight from europe got told they could not enter US airspace because of one passenger, and had to return? And doesn't the US want our government to give them the passenger list of every canadian flight that enters american airspace? Even though they won't land there but go from say yvr to yyz. Luckily that hasn't happened yet, or else my neighbour will have find a different way to travel for work, or be fired.

I think they are already doing it. But maybe not as openly as racial profiling. The politicains in the US are screening everybody, cause isn't everybody a possible threat these days? Atleast thats what they are trying to make their population believe. Trust no one, not even your family, children, parents, neighbours, and people from other countries.
At what point Is the USA safe? When everybody living in or entering the states has been screened, tested and pronounced safe for the time being?
It is an impossible task, I agree with everybody who says that it is all about protecting their way of live, ie. oil. But at what cost?

Will the rest of the world go along? Will the rest of the governments agree to this profiling and let the US come in and screen their people? Will this eventually lead to an American world police that can check out everybody, governed only by their regulations and heck even arrest people, cause they perceive them as a potential threat?

Maybe I'm taking it too far, but then again who would have thought that the US and its allies would go to war, eventhough the UN and other governments did not agree? If I'm correct Bush said in an adres to the public that he did not need a permission slip from the world to go war. Now I agree this is partially true, if it is on your own soil, but not if you go to another country and engage in a war.

It bothers me that we are letting the Americans get away with so much. When will we, the world and canada, intercede and tell our friendly southern neighbours that enough is enough. To me you can draw a comparison with WW2, the germans blaming the jewish people for many things, and started to put the star of david on their clothes, put them into camps, and well we all know what else happened. I am not saying the americans will go that far, however they are starting to put a metaphorical star of david on many a muslim.

I would like to know by how much the hate crime has increased in america since all of this has happened. Just think in a coule of years we will see the undesirables of america seek political refuge due to fear of prosecution. Like that one canadian gentleman who was held in the US for many a month because he looked like a terrorist. (there is another joke "looked like a terrorist")

Maybe I'm way of base here, but I am against the profiling, maybe they should look into their way of politics for a solution???

[monkeyspankmasterflex]

Ender
Really, American politics is driven by big business and political party funding? Thanks Captain Obvious.

Historically, in times of fear and unrest, governments move to seize greater power over their own people. Would you say that the general population of Germany was evil when Hitler entered the scene? They were just people, who wanted a leader that could bring them out of the poverty of post-WWI Germany. How about the Russians during the Communist revolution?

Oh yeah, I forgot what a dire year 2001 was. Let me think back, Shrek was pretty scary. I felt like quite the anarchist after that flick. It's a good thing the population's collective angst was subdued by the American government's decision to attack itself.
BTW, wouldn't the RRevo be an example of the people controlling the state?
African Americans are very similar in stature to Western Africans. Incidentally, Europe was built on the back of white serfs. Everyone's ancestors were slaves. I guess that's why I'm so buff.
For what it's worth I'm completely against racial profiling, though it will take place anyway in the form of either policy or prejudice.

Save the drama fo yo mama.

[bob sacamano]

These are the ones you see cheering in the streets across the globe whenever there is a major terrorist attack.

Those are the scum of the locals who are paid by the media. Read testimonies from journalists about the crowd that was used to topple saddam's statue. The mightiest invading force has been bombarding the shit out of your country , they have just entered the capital, you think the Iraqis are gonna go outside their shelters and party???

3 - Fundamentalists; These people are dirt, just like the others above and are, by far, the largest chunk of the nation of Islam.

i.e. largest chunk of muslims are dirt

wake up

[bumffs]

Why not call it What it is 'Terrorist Profiling'
After all if it walks like duck,quacks like a duck it is probably a duck
These people have been raping and pillaging non-muslim civilizations for centuries,Constantinople ring any bells????
Granada???? or don't you people read History????
What idiot thought that they would live peacefully amongst us infidels for long?
It is all Napoleans fault for thinking he could civilize the uncivil.

[Driving Rain]

Who kidnapped and murderd Pierre Laporte?

Dickheads come in all shapes and sizes.

According to the new Governor General in waitings husband in a book he wrote ...governent agents of Canada did.

[. ._]

So if the Americans start with racial profiling, where will they draw the line?l

First they came for the muslims...

[Nightshiftzombie]

These people have been raping and pillaging non-muslim civilizations for centuries,Constantinople ring any bells????
Granada???? or don't you people read History????
What idiot thought that they would live peacefully amongst us infidels for long?
It is all Napoleans fault for thinking he could civilize the uncivil

I read a lot of history.

Constatinople- Was sacked by the "Glorious Knights" of the Fourth Crusade in 1204. Because they were the wrong kind of Christian? Could be, or it could be that they had some cool shit to steal.
The Byzantine Empire never recovered from this and the Turks steadly pushed them back for the next 250 years until Mehmet II captured Constantinople in 1453.

Granada- How about the Spanish Inquisition?

No religion or civilization has a monopoly on mass murder there is more than enough to go around.

[2R]

Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition !!!!!!!!!