I thought you were a manager in airport security?human garbage wrote:Just Vr. Never seen any reference to V1 in the POH (no charts to calculate it anyhow). I've flown them for three different operators; normal Vr (not short field) was either 85 or 90 Kts depending on the particular company SOPs.Maynard wrote:...Do navajos even have a V1 or just a rotation speed...
I can't really blame the crew for not wanting to fly if they had a serious issue right at Vr. A fully loaded Chieftain won't climb on one below Vyse at all. That is a good 15 to 20 knots above Vr. There is some pucker factor until you reach 107 KIAS. Even then my understanding is that you will only see 50-100 FPM climb at that speed.
Orca RTO/Overrun CAT4
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Re: Orca RTO/Overrun CAT4
Good judgment comes from experience. Experience often comes from bad judgment.
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goingnowherefast
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Re: Orca RTO/Overrun CAT4
Navajo doesn't have a V1. The AFM lists a "barrier speed" that's about 10 kts faster than rotation. Basically it says "don't try to keep flying below the barrier speed unless you have zero other options as you will probably crash anyway" Even after that, it recommends rejecting if possible. Operators often use rotation as a "pseudo-V1", but in all reality, good luck with that! Until you are clear of all obstacles, you need both fans. Then after that, hope the plane is light, it's a cool day, and you might get to enjoy 300 ft/min.
The AFM recommends rejecting, that's exactly what these guys did. I say good job! Tires are cheap, even air frames are cheap compared to the delicate squishy people inside.
The AFM recommends rejecting, that's exactly what these guys did. I say good job! Tires are cheap, even air frames are cheap compared to the delicate squishy people inside.
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Re: Orca RTO/Overrun CAT4
I was. I also said I have an ATPL which suggests I have done more than that. I'm pretty unique.cncpc wrote:...I thought you were a manager in airport security?
Given the above, if I keep posting here it is likely my anonymity will disappear, so this will be my last visit to the forum. Pour some of your 40 in memory of the garbageman. I'm gone.
"...flying airplanes is really not all that difficult so it attracts some of the most mentally challenged people in society." - . .
"Baby, stick out your can... 'cause I'm the garbageman"
"Baby, stick out your can... 'cause I'm the garbageman"
Re: Orca RTO/Overrun CAT4
Good luck. I'm sure people have already figured out I'm Van Morrison, but no prob.human garbage wrote:I was. I also said I have an ATPL which suggests I have done more than that. I'm pretty unique.cncpc wrote:...I thought you were a manager in airport security?
Given the above, if I keep posting here it is likely my anonymity will disappear, so this will be my last visit to the forum. Pour some of your 40 in memory of the garbageman. I'm gone.
Good judgment comes from experience. Experience often comes from bad judgment.
