Aerotoxic syndrome

timel · Post by **timel** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:39 am

http://aerotoxic.org/about-aerotoxic-syndrome/
Has anyone been victim of the aerotoxic syndrome?

Aviatard · Post by **Aviatard** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:34 am

The same number of people who have been visited by the Easter Bunny.

Neither of these things exist. File it under the chemtrails section.

sstaurus · Post by **sstaurus** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:42 am

Aviatard wrote:The same number of people who have been visited by the Easter Bunny.

Neither of these things exist. File it under the chemtrails section.

Really? Contaminated cabin air doesn't exist? You must not fly a pressurized aircraft. I love breathing stinky bleed air...

FICU · Post by **FICU** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:22 am

Bleed air is nothing more than compressed air. How is it stinky? BTW with air coming in and air constantly going out through the outflow valve the cabin air is continually refreshed.

goingnowherefast · Post by **goingnowherefast** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:36 am

I had some residual oil sucked into the engine and into the cabin. Turns out the apprentice put the cowlings on while still covered in oil. Takeoff power sucked the oil from the inlet into the engine, through the compressor, the bleed system and into the cabin. Didn't feel anything different. Although, wasn't exposed to it very long either.

boeingboy · Post by **boeingboy** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:39 am

Bleed air is nothing more than compressed air. How is it stinky? BTW with air coming in and air constantly going out through the outflow valve the cabin air is continually refreshed.

You keep living in your dreamworld.

when the oil leaks in the engine it vaporizes and enters the bleed system. As for the cabin air - yes it is changed - but is recycled in the cabin for quite a while before it is expelled, and if the incomming air is constantly contaminated - you just keep pumping it in.

goingnowherefast · Post by **goingnowherefast** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:11 am

The article mentions the electric compressors on the Boeing 787. I'd imagine they are lubricated as well. What happens if that blows a seal. Does air compressor oil get pumped into the cabin?

I'm going to give this website just slightly more credibility than chemtrails too. Just due to the fact that rare systems malfunctions can cause smoke/oil to enter the cabin.

timel · Post by **timel** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:27 am

My understanding is that the problem comes from:

...contain organophosphate additives as antiwear agents and other aromatic hydrocarbons as antioxidants. Some of the oil gets partially decomposed, i.e. chemically altered (‘pyrolysed’) due to the high temperatures in the engine...

My guess is, it wouldn't be an issue with electric compressors.

Anyway, every time this kind of events happen : http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transpor ... 66841.html

... everyone is screaming it is the 'Aerotoxic syndrome'! I don't know much more about it.

About 'stinky air', just check the air vents in aircrafts, some look pretty scary.

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:38 pm

Next time I fly on an airliner, I am going to demand they supply me with FRESH AIR.
What are my chances of sucess?
Any one ever look into the air ducts of an old Metro?
Scary.

PositiveRate27 · Post by **PositiveRate27** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:24 pm

oldtimer wrote:Next time I fly on an airliner, I am going to demand they supply me with FRESH AIR.
What are my chances of sucess?
Any one ever look into the air ducts of an old Metro?
Scary.

I was absolutely astounded when I saw how quickly a brand new white pilot shirt turned yellow in a metro compared to every other airplane Ive flown. I probably got the black lung!

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:39 pm

Virtually all air compressors have what's called "oil carry over". Except maybe Atlas Copco oil free compressors. It stands to reason that bleed air from turbine engines carries some oil particulate. It would be in the realm of parts per million, maybe they should switch to food grade oil for lubrication?

cgzro · Post by **cgzro** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:53 pm

Most cars have a cabin air filter. Most owners never change it. Probably all manner of nasty stuff in car filters compared to aircraft.

goingnowherefast · Post by **goingnowherefast** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:57 pm

Going to put canola oil in the PT-6 next time it is low

cgzro · Post by **cgzro** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:02 pm

Many yoga studios burn incense. I wonder what the PM2.5 output of those is...

andy_mtl · Post by **andy_mtl** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:30 pm

Any of all of you overly concerned people live in toroto!?
Ever tried whiping your face with a kleenex after a walk downtown?!

Solution to all your problems:

Susi air. Non pressurized and in the middle of no where with plenty of clean air.

There you got your solution.

Andy

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:07 pm

cgzro wrote:Most cars have a cabin air filter. Most owners never change it. Probably all manner of nasty stuff in car filters compared to aircraft.

JasonE · Post by **JasonE** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:40 pm

Oh boy.....that website just got some ammo.

Occurrence Summary
Date: 2016-02-01
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Maintenance & Manufacturing
Narrative: TSB#A16P0017: The Jazz Aviation de Havilland DHC8-300, C-GVTA, was operating as flight JZA8350 from Vancouver Intl, BC (CYVR) to Portland Intl, OR (KPDX). Following engine startup in Vancouver, thick smoke was observed in the passenger cabin. The crew shut down both engines, initiated a rapid evacuation of the aircraft and called for airport firefighting to attend. The operator’s maintenance personnel determined that an Air Cycle Machine had a cracked housing which allowed internal lubricating oil to enter the air conditioning system, and subsequently the aircraft cabin.
Please note that for the most part, CADORS reports contain preliminary, unconfirmed data which can be subject to change.

squash junky · Post by **squash junky** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:03 pm

From the web site:

All medical enquiries using this form are directed to:

Dr. Michel Mulder

Aviation Medical Consultation

For all other Aerotoxic Association enquiries please use the main contact address.

Articles (co)authored by Dr. Mulder:

He failed the 737 upgrade so was put back to his previous, but that airplane was phased out. So they tried to make him FO on the 777 but he failed, I think 2 yrs or so before his retirement. Then he called in sick for quite a while and later finished his days in the office, not flying.
I could share some things about him, but will not. Just seeing his name connected to this takes away all credibility.
Sadly it's all about who scream the loudest and the airlines have to deal with this as ludicrous as it is.

3 people I know personally (not by choice) are very much involved in this and with what I know from them personally I would say there are other factors responsible for their failures.

FICU · Post by **FICU** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:06 pm

Abnormal not normal. I have over 10 years flying old 737-200s and - 300s not to mention 10 years plus deadheading on Boeing's, Airbus', and Dash-8s and have never had an issue with cabin air quality. Prior to that was about 5000 hours in turbo props and biz jets... no issues ever.

So what's the problem again?

squash junky · Post by **squash junky** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:24 pm

FICU wrote: So what's the problem again?

Hidden agendas
money for nothing (and the chicks for free? No, different subject)

av8ts · Post by **av8ts** » Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:31 am

I know when I flew the Dash 8 Classic anytime you took a wet cloth and wiped the inside of the front or side window it came away covered with a black film.

5x5 · Post by **5x5** » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:32 am

av8ts wrote:I know when I flew the Dash 8 Classic anytime you took a wet cloth and wiped the inside of the front or side window it came away covered with a black film.

Someone above mentioned automobiles. When was the last time you cleaned the inside of your car's windscreen? Guess we should get all alarmed about "autotoxic" syndrome. And I'm sure someone will as soon as they see a way to use it to support law suits and legal proceedings.

Just because someone creates a website doesn't make the topic real.

tachgen · Post by **tachgen** » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:32 am

BA 146, stinkiest airplane ever!

Strega · Post by **Strega** » Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:12 am

money for nothing (and the chicks for free? No, different subject)

people that want money for nothing usually are free of chicks...

av8ts · Post by **av8ts** » Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:48 am

Did the people who created the website but the film on the windscreen to fool me?

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