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Re: Barkley-Grow

#101 Post by Antique Pilot » Fri Mar 11, 2016 5:54 pm

arrrthur wrote:Hi again!
It appears that CF-BTX was used in scouting out a route for the Canol oil pipeline in the Yukon during World War II. Canol surveyor Guy Blanchet is in all these photos. The interior photo can't be unequivocally identified as CF-BTX but the other two can be. In the last photo you can see a bit of the registration on the wing, enough to recognize the "3D" font that was used on CF-BTX for the registration markings. From what I have read, Blanchet was an incredibly tough character even late in life.

On another note, there is a billboard not far northwest of where I live, on Highway 16 between Tete Jaune Cache and Dunster, BC, placed there I think by the Fort St. James tourism folks. It depicts a bush pilot with his head sticking out of a plane window. He's got an enormous broad grin. I suspect the billboard depicts Sheldon Luck who was no stranger to the Barkley Grow.

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http://collectionscanada.gc.ca/pam_arch ... py=a124227

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The Canol Road project is not well known by a lot of folks. I have read that it was a tougher project than building the Alaska Highway in the early to mid 1940's. In May 1974 I was part of a crew flying an Otter out of Ross River YT along the old Canol Road pipeline route to the Godlin Lakes area. We were there for about 10 days flying drilling equipment to a camp. Beautiful wild country. There were still some of the old telegraph poles standing and large bunkhouses in places. I took video with an old
movie camera and have it somewhere.

Sheldon Luck's son is an old acquaintance. Sorry for the thread drift.

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Re: Barkley-Grow

#102 Post by arrrthur » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:50 am

Antique Pilot wrote:The Canol Road project is not well known by a lot of folks. I have read that it was a tougher project than building the Alaska Highway in the early to mid 1940's. In May 1974 I was part of a crew flying an Otter out of Ross River YT along the old Canol Road pipeline route to the Godlin Lakes area. We were there for about 10 days flying drilling equipment to a camp. Beautiful wild country. There were still some of the old telegraph poles standing and large bunkhouses in places. I took video with an old
movie camera and have it somewhere.

Sheldon Luck's son is an old acquaintance. Sorry for the thread drift.

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That's interesting! I'll see if I can get a photo of the billboard on Highway 16 one of these days, in case someone on here can offer a guess as to who it's supposed to represent. I emailed the Fort St. James Chamber of Commerce about it but haven't heard back.

Any idea of the origin of the name of Sheldon Lake near Ross River?

There are at least two photos I've come across on line showing CF-BTX at Sheldon Lake. Could well have been taken during the Canol survey flights.

Couple of photos I took in the 2000s: one at YVR and one at YXY. Interesting that an aircraft that was hardly even commercially produced has embedded itself in the culture of various parts of western Canada.
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Re: Barkley-Grow

#103 Post by Antique Pilot » Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:14 am

arrrthur wrote:
Antique Pilot wrote:The Canol Road project is not well known by a lot of folks. I have read that it was a tougher project than building the Alaska Highway in the early to mid 1940's. In May 1974 I was part of a crew flying an Otter out of Ross River YT along the old Canol Road pipeline route to the Godlin Lakes area. We were there for about 10 days flying drilling equipment to a camp. Beautiful wild country. There were still some of the old telegraph poles standing and large bunkhouses in places. I took video with an old
movie camera and have it somewhere.

Sheldon Luck's son is an old acquaintance. Sorry for the thread drift.

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That's interesting! I'll see if I can get a photo of the billboard on Highway 16 one of these days, in case someone on here can offer a guess as to who it's supposed to represent. I emailed the Fort St. James Chamber of Commerce about it but haven't heard back.

Any idea of the origin of the name of Sheldon Lake near Ross River?

There are at least two photos I've come across on line showing CF-BTX at Sheldon Lake. Could well have been taken during the Canol survey flights.

Couple of photos I took in the 2000s: one at YVR and one at YXY. Interesting that an aircraft that was hardly even commercially produced has embedded itself in the culture of various parts of western Canada.
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I wondered about the origin of the name as well. Don't know. However isn't it usually the last name of a deceased person given to an unnamed lake?

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#104 Post by arrrthur » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:25 pm

arrrthur wrote:I wondered about the origin of the name as well. Don't know. However isn't it usually the last name of a deceased person given to an unnamed lake?

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It appears that Sheldon Lake was named after U.S. "sportsman and amateur naturalist" Charles Alexander Sheldon, with the name becoming official March 18, 1909.

http://hougengroup.com/yukon-history/yu ... mal-names/

There are exceptions to the last name rule all over the place - for example there's a Mount Clerk east of Kinbasket Lake BC named for Scottish physicist James Clerk Maxwell.

Photo: Sheldon Lake, Sheldon Mountain and CF-BTX.
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#105 Post by Antique Pilot » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:42 pm

arrrthur wrote:
arrrthur wrote:I wondered about the origin of the name as well. Don't know. However isn't it usually the last name of a deceased person given to an unnamed lake?

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It appears that Sheldon Lake was named after U.S. "sportsman and amateur naturalist" Charles Alexander Sheldon, with the name becoming official March 18, 1909.

http://hougengroup.com/yukon-history/yu ... mal-names/

There are exceptions to the last name rule all over the place - for example there's a Mount Clerk east of Kinbasket Lake BC named for Scottish physicist James Clerk Maxwell.

Photo: Sheldon Lake, Sheldon Mountain and CF-BTX.
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Thanks for that, beautiful classy photo.

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#106 Post by Shady McSly » Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:04 pm

Wow, GREAT pic
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#107 Post by Mapleflt » Sun Mar 13, 2016 2:15 pm

That picture is the stuff of which Canadian aviation history is world renown for, thank you for sharing it Arrrthur

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#108 Post by arrrthur » Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:22 pm

Just did an online check - it appears that the Canol reconnaissance flight photos were released at some point from the Finnie family photo collection at the Yukon Archives and have appeared in various places on the web since then. The Yukon Archives caption list indicates they are all of CF-BTX and are part of a much larger set of photos that Richard Finnie took before,during and after the initial reconnaissance flight from Norman Wells to Whitehorse. The pilot was Bud Potter. Most of the photos probably haven't been released. The caption list made for a good Canol story in itself when I looked through it. http://www.tc.gov.yk.ca/archives/findin ... _81_21.pdf - scroll down to Folder 1.
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#109 Post by Antique Pilot » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:37 am

arrrthur wrote:Just did an online check - it appears that the Canol reconnaissance flight photos were released at some point from the Finnie family photo collection at the Yukon Archives and have appeared in various places on the web since then. The Yukon Archives caption list indicates they are all of CF-BTX and are part of a much larger set of photos that Richard Finnie took before,during and after the initial reconnaissance flight from Norman Wells to Whitehorse. The pilot was Bud Potter. Most of the photos probably haven't been released. The caption list made for a good Canol story in itself when I looked through it. http://www.tc.gov.yk.ca/archives/findin ... _81_21.pdf - scroll down to Folder 1.
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Thanks for the link. Great stuff.

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#110 Post by 900 HP » Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:09 pm

Very interesting plane. I flew with a guy named Ghislain Arsenault (Chief Pilot). He did not speak any English so our conversations were non-existent but he had a picture of a Barkley Grow that he had flown (likely in Quebec). It was funny because it had a bill board for Belvedere cigarettes on it. The memory is old so perhaps it was an airline :wink:
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#111 Post by arrrthur » Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:36 pm

900 HP wrote:Very interesting plane. I flew with a guy named Ghislain Arsenault (Chief Pilot). He did not speak any English so our conversations were non-existent but he had a picture of a Barkley Grow that he had flown (likely in Quebec). It was funny because it had a bill board for Belvedere cigarettes on it. The memory is old so perhaps it was an airline :wink:
There might be a photo of that aircraft on this forum. I know I saw one somewhere recently. I thought the Belvedere name painted on it looked more like it referred to some small air services company.
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#112 Post by Antique Pilot » Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:51 pm

arrrthur wrote:
900 HP wrote:Very interesting plane. I flew with a guy named Ghislain Arsenault (Chief Pilot). He did not speak any English so our conversations were non-existent but he had a picture of a Barkley Grow that he had flown (likely in Quebec). It was funny because it had a bill board for Belvedere cigarettes on it. The memory is old so perhaps it was an airline :wink:
There might be a photo of that aircraft on this forum. I know I saw one somewhere recently. I thought the Belvedere name painted on it looked more like it referred to some small air services company.
The Belvedere Cigarette Company sponsored Barkley Grow CF-BQM for the Burlington Ontario Seaplane Race held in Sept 1973. Part of the city's centennial celebration perhaps.

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#113 Post by arrrthur » Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:05 pm

As posted by Canuck_Plumber back in 2014:
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#114 Post by 900 HP » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:59 am

Awesome thanks for the update. I've never seen one in person. Are there any in museums?
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#115 Post by Siddley Hawker » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:11 pm

900 HP wrote:Very interesting plane. I flew with a guy named Ghislain Arsenault (Chief Pilot). He did not speak any English so our conversations were non-existent but he had a picture of a Barkley Grow that he had flown (likely in Quebec). It was funny because it had a bill board for Belvedere cigarettes on it. The memory is old so perhaps it was an airline :wink:
Ghislain Arsenault - nickname Castor - was probably working for Air Gava in Schefferville at the time. That company was owned by Albert Fortier, and they leased a Barkley Grow for a summer, must have been mid to late 1970's. I had forgotten the registration.
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#116 Post by Antique Pilot » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:37 pm

900 HP wrote:Awesome thanks for the update. I've never seen one in person. Are there any in museums?
Yes, mentioned in other posts here. BQM is at the Calgary Aerospace Museum. It was ferried to Chestemere Lake just east of Calgary from Eastern Canada in 1979.

BLV is at the Alberta Aviation Museum in Edmonton.

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#117 Post by beechnut » Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:53 pm

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#118 Post by Antique Pilot » Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:21 pm

Great old pics of BMW. Do you have any info on the pics other than the pilot Tom Laurie?

BMW was written off while landing on skis at Bigstone Lake MB on March 12, 1965. On short final the left hand flap popped up. The aircraft rolled to the left and struck the ice in a left wing low nose down attitude. Pilot Howard Hawley was seriously injured.

Useable parts and pieces were recovered and taken to Northland's base at Netley MB.

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#119 Post by beechnut » Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:29 pm

AP all I know about the photos is they were taken at Alice Lake on Vancouver Island in the 40's
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#120 Post by Antique Pilot » Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:41 pm

Thanks for another great photo.

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#121 Post by beech 18 » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:46 pm

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Barkley Grow CF-BMG.
Photo taken at the Edmonton Airport.
Year not known.

Found on the internet.
Photographer unknown.


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#122 Post by Canuck_Plumber » Sun Sep 04, 2016 12:18 am

Hey all,

It's been a while since I passed by this way. Great to see the new photos posted here.

I thought I would do the same as well.

The first photo is of the founders of the Barkley Grow Aircraft Corp. Archie Barkley far right and Commander Harold Grow standing on his right. I've yet to learn who the other two gentlemen are.

ImageButts family (1 of 1) by jaeson cardiff, on Flickr

The next pic is of CF-BVE as it sits in the Reynolds Museum collection. This is the first prototype built by the company in 1937.

ImageReynolds (1 of 1)-8 by jaeson cardiff, on Flickr
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#123 Post by fleetcanuck » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:17 pm

Back a few pages, AP wanted to have a look at the photos of my mother's first flight. She was travelling from Grande Prairie to Edmonton. Ran into them last night and remembered, so here they are.

I think it was probably December of 1939.
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#124 Post by Antique Pilot » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:30 pm

fleetcanuck wrote:Back a few pages, AP wanted to have a look at the photos of my mother's first flight. She was travelling from Grande Prairie to Edmonton. Ran into them last night and remembered, so here they are.

I think it was probably December of 1939.

Now those are classy pics of a nice lady and nice old aircraft.

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#125 Post by Antique Pilot » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:33 pm

Canuck_Plumber wrote:Hey all,

It's been a while since I passed by this way. Great to see the new photos posted here.

I thought I would do the same as well.

The first photo is of the founders of the Barkley Grow Aircraft Corp. Archie Barkley far right and Commander Harold Grow standing on his right. I've yet to learn who the other two gentlemen are.

ImageButts family (1 of 1) by jaeson cardiff, on Flickr

The next pic is of CF-BVE as it sits in the Reynolds Museum collection. This is the first prototype built by the company in 1937.

Thanks,

Nice to see this rare old bird inside.

AP

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