Dellen Millard trial

[Stumper]

After starting my career with Millard Air in YYZ and knowing personally some of those involved in this controversy I can't help but be interested in this trial. I'm sure there are others out there that are as well..

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/tim-bosma

Live coverage:
https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamCarterCB ... %5Eprofile

My deepest condolences to the victims of these crimes

[Illya Kuryakin]

I drove the Racers for Carl. Following with interest.
Illya

[Stumper]

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/cri ... today.html

[ChrisEvans]

Just sickening - I knew the Millard family from Carl, Wayne, to Dellen.

The Bosma case is cut and dry - 1st degree murder - automatic Life 25 sentence - from the facts in court so far - they have him dead cold on this - done!

He still has the 1st degree murder/trial for Laura Babcock, and a 3rd 1st degree murder charge/trial for the killing of Wayne Millard. I don't know any of the details, or how strong the cases are - so may be very hard to prove.

The armoured guard in Edmonton got Life 40 for 3 murders and the guy who killed 3 RCMP out east got Life 75 - the two harshest sentences since 1962 death penalty.

If Dellen is convicted of all 3 1st degree murders - he will never get out of jail - though he may end up with a 1st degree conviction, and 2 2nd degree - time will tell.

Either way - the Judge now has a two precedent cases to see Dellen never gets out if he decides so.

Such sad outcome for Wayne. RIP

[fleet16b]

Many evenings while working on my Fleet, I would hear a vehicle pull up , turn around and there would be Wayne Millard.
He would be just passing thru on his way home from his new hanger at Kitchener.
Wayne said he like to keep I touch will the small aviation guys and I had respect for him for that.
The last time I spoke with him he told me proudly all about the new operation and invited me to drop by anytime unannounced and he would show me around then take me for lunch
That was about 3 months before he died and I'll tell you one thing, he did not seem suicidal to me but who knows.

[land3]

...IMO best forum to keep up to the trial with all media twitter postings and pictures etc...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumd ... othy-Bosma

[DanWEC]

I'll tell you one thing, he did not seem suicidal to me but who knows.

That's why this piece of garbage is now being charged with his murder as well as that of his ex-girlfriend.

[mmm..bacon]

Just skimming around some of the web material covering this, and there doesnt seem to any word as to the motivation behind the alleged crimes. Just a bored/twisted rich kid?

[land3]

Just skimming around some of the web material covering this, and there doesnt seem to any word as to the motivation behind the alleged crimes. Just a bored/twisted rich kid?

...basically yes, along with the fact that the inheritance and wealth the father and gfather had left the kid was almost gone, and he needed a better truck to drag his jeep down to the Baja to go desert racing....sick.

[fleet16b]

Well I've been following the live coverage on CBC since the start of the trial .
I'll say one thing, these two have to be be two of the stupidest criminals I've ever read about .
The Crowns evidence is pretty extensive regarding Tim Bosma's murder.
It makes me wonder what evidence the Crown has regarding the other two counts.
There must be quite a bit for the Crown to lay those charges so quickly also.
The only drawback I see so far is that the evidence analysts have not thus far been able to say who the triggerman was. From the evidence and actions of the defense lawyers , it obvious one is blaming the other.
Since they are both pleading not guilty to 1st degree murder they will most likely say it was either an accident or an unplanned struggle ( 2nd degree).

[oldyellr]

Just skimming around some of the web material covering this, and there doesnt seem to any word as to the motivation behind the alleged crimes. Just a bored/twisted rich kid?

Afluenza.

[Stumper]

...IMO best forum to keep up to the trial with all media twitter postings and pictures etc...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumd ... othy-Bosma

Just wanted to thank you for this link land3. Took me a while to get onto it, but it is by far the best coverage of this trial

Was never a big fan of Carl for reasons that need not be hashed out here but are no surprise to any that were there. Honestly I can see reflections of Carl in Dellen as I follow this trial . To his credit he was a pioneer and gave a start in aviation to so many.

On the other hand, I considered Wayne to be an aimless hippy and told him so often. But he was a decent man and a personal friend. This is such a sad an unfortunate end to a Canadian aviation legacy

[PilotDAR]

The news says Dellen and his co accused are guilty!

[DanWEC]

The news says Dellen and his co accused are guilty!

YES!! Justice for the Bosma family but it won't bring Tim back. Hope they both rot for life. I have no doubt that Mark Schmidt was more along for the ride, but that is still his problem.

Next, Millard's pending 1st murder charges for his dad and ex gf. What a peice of shit.

[PilotDAR]

Next, Millard's pending 1st murder charges for his dad and ex gf.

Indeed! Does Millard still face prosecution for this too? Being in jail for one crime does not insulate you from prosecution for another - correct?

I was at an AMO a couple of years back, chatting with a staff member. He drew my attention to a very pretty Bell 47 sitting on the apron. He said "that's not going anywhere for a while, it belongs to Dellen Millard." What a waste, a fellow with an unusually great leg up into our industry, and apparently the resources to fly his own Bell 47, and he has to be a bad guy. Carl would have been ashamed.

[BuckNasty]

Indeed! Does Millard still face prosecution for this too? Being in jail for one crime does not insulate you from prosecution for another - correct?

Yup, he'll be going to trial for both of the other two murders in 2017 and 2018.

[crazyaviator]

It would take 10 life sentences in a work camp to pay for the court costs alone !! Looks like the victims will be paying for his food/board and re-education in "prison" ? re-victimization!!!

[grimey]

Next, Millard's pending 1st murder charges for his dad and ex gf.

Indeed! Does Millard still face prosecution for this too? Being in jail for one crime does not insulate you from prosecution for another - correct?

I was at an AMO a couple of years back, chatting with a staff member. He drew my attention to a very pretty Bell 47 sitting on the apron. He said "that's not going anywhere for a while, it belongs to Dellen Millard." What a waste, a fellow with an unusually great leg up into our industry, and apparently the resources to fly his own Bell 47, and he has to be a bad guy. Carl would have been ashamed.

Yes. Each first degree murder charge adds 25 years to his parole ineligibility if convicted.

[grimey]

The news says Dellen and his co accused are guilty!

YES!! Justice for the Bosma family but it won't bring Tim back. Hope they both rot for life. I have no doubt that Mark Schmidt was more along for the ride, but that is still his problem.

Next, Millard's pending 1st murder charges for his dad and ex gf. What a peice of shit.

Smich is charged with the murder of Millard's ex gf too. He knew what was up.

[ChrisEvans]

Yes. Each first degree murder charge adds 25 years to his parole ineligibility if convicted.

From 1962 when Canada abolished the death penalty until 2011 - the most time a multiple murderer upon conviction could get was 25 years to life.

In 2011 Harper gave judges the ability to sentence multiple murderers to consecutive life terms - at the judges discretion.

Travis Baumgartner - the Edmonton atm guard - who executed 3 of his fellow guards - received a sentence of Life in Prison - with an eligibility date of 40 years before he can apply for parole - the harshest sentence since 1962.

However since then Justin Bourque who shot 5 RCMP killing 3 of them out east - received 5 consecutive life terms - 125 years - and must serve 75 years before applying for parole.

I don't believe anyone in Ontario has ever been sentenced under the new rules as of yet - Millard may be the first?, I've no idea if he killed his dad and the girl - but if they have the evidence to convict him, that may be Dellen Millard done for life.

Of course he deserves more - i would have no problem with death penalty - except - poor - innocent people usually end up the ones they kill. Next best thing we have is life sentence.

[boogs82]

Yes. Each first degree murder charge adds 25 years to his parole ineligibility if convicted.

Kind of. If he's convicted on the extra murder charges he will be sentenced to 25 years without parole. More often than not the sentences are concurrent to the original sentence. However the 25 years would add the difference between the first 25 year sentence.

For example, sentence in 2016 means 25 years no parole (2041)
Sentence in 2017 for the next trial means 25 years no parole. Most of the time is likely to be concurrent. (2042)
Sentence in 2018 for the final trial means 25 years no parole. (2043).

If the judges set it up to be consecutive sentences then he could be out by 2091 (probably be dead since he was born in 85). But in all likelihood it'll be done by 2043 and he'll be 58.

[North Shore]

Interesting summary from the CBC website: http://www.cbc.ca/interactives/longform ... osma-trial

[Rockie]

Interesting summary from the CBC website: http://www.cbc.ca/interactives/longform ... osma-trial

I read this last night. I used to work with Wayne and he was an interesting character. Someone here described him as an "aimless hippy" and that really does describe him. Marched to his own drummer and had some issues, but he was a good man and it is inexplicable how anybody - his own son no less - would want to do the man any harm.

I don't know if he's been diagnosed, but Dellen Millard is in my mind a classic psychopath.

[crazyaviator]

Does the blame start with carls failure as a father then is amplified with his sons failure as a father ,, soon to be eclipsed with the piece of dog shit dellen ?

[grimey]

Yes. Each first degree murder charge adds 25 years to his parole ineligibility if convicted.

Kind of. If he's convicted on the extra murder charges he will be sentenced to 25 years without parole. More often than not the sentences are concurrent to the original sentence. However the 25 years would add the difference between the first 25 year sentence.

For example, sentence in 2016 means 25 years no parole (2041)
Sentence in 2017 for the next trial means 25 years no parole. Most of the time is likely to be concurrent. (2042)
Sentence in 2018 for the final trial means 25 years no parole. (2043).

If the judges set it up to be consecutive sentences then he could be out by 2091 (probably be dead since he was born in 85). But in all likelihood it'll be done by 2043 and he'll be 58.

They changed it in 2011. The judge can (but is not required to) now order the sentences to be served consecutively if the murders were committed after Dec. 2, 2011. All 3, Bosma, Wayne Millard, and Dellen's ex were killed after that.