Air Canada Pool

[dhc#]

There will be a great deal of poaching happening soon.

[livinlife]

Its about time they started OTS hiring rather than just focusing on the PML...

How will hiring outside of the experienced jet captains and airline pilots they are currently getting from Sky, GGN and Jazz help the training crunch? Seems like AC is pretty happy with the way this is shaping up?

There was only one reason AC started this PML in the first place and don't kid yourself into thinking it was for experience. It gave Jazz a way to loose the highly paid senior drivers and get all the new replacements on a B scale. The reason they offered a verbal agreement to sky and georgian was to use it as a carrot to attract people to wokr for shit pay and conditons for the big shot at Mainline someday.

Now with 400+ jobs for the next year, you really think they are going to poach there own carriers like they did this past year? I am willing to bet it goes to at least a 50/50 OTS/AC Brand.

Lots of guys OTS with invaluable experience as well, not just Jazz.

Did you get your shot yet Allclutch?

[atphat]

How will hiring outside of the experienced jet captains and airline pilots they are currently getting from Sky, GGN and Jazz help the training crunch?

Believe it or not AC was fine before jazz guys starting pouring in. They needed quick meat in the seat, and to lower costs at jazz. Viola. The PML. Don't get me wrong. It's great these guys have tons of experience, no one is saying otherwise. But those positions could have easily been filled by any other non jazz pilots successfully.

[Say Altitude]

There will be a great deal of poaching happening soon.

Are you speaking of the rumour of ACPA proposing to the Company that they offer signing bonuses to WJA (or SW/AT) pilots who are typed on the 737 so it fast tracks the entry of the MAX at Mainline next year?

[atphat]

Type rated pilots would still have to do a full course at AC.

[aV1aTOr]

There will be a great deal of poaching happening soon.

Are you speaking of the rumour of ACPA proposing to the Company that they offer signing bonuses to WJA (or SW/AT) pilots who are typed on the 737 so it fast tracks the entry of the MAX at Mainline next year?

This comment speaks to a complete lack of understanding of how hiring / training / award of vacancies / seniority works at AC. As has been stated, any type rated pilot must still go through the exact same training matrix as a non rated new hire. As well, all new hires are placed according to the vacancies made available to that class as that time. And furthermore the awarding of those positions within the class falls according to class seniority which is determined prior to type/base awards. This is all outside of the fact that any 737 positions going to new hires (they will in time) is purely based on the result of CMSC reviews and the desires of pilots on property to fill or not fill any 737 jobs before they go to new hires.
Besides all that, I'm certain the company is more than highly confident in the skills and abilities of current AC pilots to adapt to a new (seems strange to call a 50 year old design "new") type in the fleet.
Now would AC take any pleasure in poaching pilots from WJ/SW/AT? You betcha they would.

[FL320]

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[dhc#]

Any rumblings when PMA 2.0 will be out ??

[TheStig]

Not a word. There are still hundreds of pilots still at Jazz who have deferred there position at AC.

[Maver!ck]

Not a word. There are still hundreds of pilots still at Jazz who have deferred there position at AC.

How many exactly ? Anyone have an idea ?

[Braaaap]

What's the thinking behind that? Why would someone want to defer?

[rudder]

Not a word. There are still hundreds of pilots still at Jazz who have deferred there position at AC.

Not "hundreds". By year end 2016 outstanding deferrals (from Jazz) will likely be less than 100. Not sure how many OTS pilots have deferred.

Rumour is significantly ramped up hiring at AC commencing in January. Would not be surprised to see entire Jazz PML list exhausted by the fall of 2017. That would be 450+ Jazz pilots moved to AC in just 2 1/2 years.

[Say Altitude]

There will be a great deal of poaching happening soon.

Are you speaking of the rumour of ACPA proposing to the Company that they offer signing bonuses to WJA (or SW/AT) pilots who are typed on the 737 so it fast tracks the entry of the MAX at Mainline next year?

This comment speaks to a complete lack of understanding of how hiring / training / award of vacancies / seniority works at AC. As has been stated, any type rated pilot must still go through the exact same training matrix as a non rated new hire. As well, all new hires are placed according to the vacancies made available to that class as that time. And furthermore the awarding of those positions within the class falls according to class seniority which is determined prior to type/base awards. This is all outside of the fact that any 737 positions going to new hires (they will in time) is purely based on the result of CMSC reviews and the desires of pilots on property to fill or not fill any 737 jobs before they go to new hires.
Besides all that, I'm certain the company is more than highly confident in the skills and abilities of current AC pilots to adapt to a new (seems strange to call a 50 year old design "new") type in the fleet.
Now would AC take any pleasure in poaching pilots from WJ/SW/AT? You betcha they would.

They have to do a full course now sure, but don't think for a second that the company isn't looking for short-cuts/cost savings. 400+ openings right now including the bottom 60% of the 320 FO in YYZ. Given the MEC history of lets and the fact the company gets to assign positions at the end of the PIT course, that if there is a way to do a short course conversion for the 737 that saves time AND training costs, don't think for a second that the Company won't go for it. And the MEC will allow it.

[altiplano]

I'd be surprised if you don't see courses packed with 737 drivers and all 737 position offerings next year before the first deliveries...

I was talking with a CMSC guy last week who said they're scared that 737 captain will be going to new hires. Seems they'll want guys with a relevant background it is going to happen.

[altiplano]

And before someone chimes in about the PML - know that it's almost completed - between deferrals and people already here, there is no commitment to anyone beyond the number specified in the jazz agreement. Crewing the airline and the training crisis will trump the rest when the big crunch starts in spring 2017.

[TheStig]

Not a word. There are still hundreds of pilots still at Jazz who have deferred there position at AC.

Not "hundreds". By year end 2016 outstanding deferrals (from Jazz) will likely be less than 100. Not sure how many OTS pilots have deferred.

Rumour is significantly ramped up hiring at AC commencing in January. Would not be surprised to see entire Jazz PML list exhausted by the fall of 2017. That would be 450+ Jazz pilots moved to AC in just 2 1/2 years.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, you're always in tune with whats happening at Jazz. However, by my count just over 300 Jazz pilots have been in AC ground schools since the PML started (19 classes, with 16 from Jazz in each). There were over 700 on the list, correct? I realize some were not hired but, it would seem to me there could easily still be 200-300 still deferred.

The entire PML list was interviewed quite quickly and I'd certainly believe that the last of all the 2 year deferrals will be by the Fall of 2017 with the majority coming in the spring.

[TheStig]

What's the thinking behind that? Why would someone want to defer?

To maintain a senior schedule at Jazz, and then join AC with some pilots already junior to you at. Being senior at both carriers makes all the difference in the world. I imagine there are many different individual reasons as well such as providing extra time to get ones life sorted prior to starting at a new company.

[Lateralus]

Exciting times at AC. Happy to see this.

[jetav8r]

anyone in their 50's get hired recently?

[FL020]

most certainly - if degree in hand....