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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:40 pm 
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mmm..bacon wrote:
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One to one and a half year upgrades and you're touching 100k at year one left seat.


How does that work? At AirlinePilotCentral, it gives $81/hr for year one @ 80/month, that's $6480 x 12 = $78k :?:


Per diems.



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:28 am 
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Black_Tusk wrote:
mmm..bacon wrote:
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One to one and a half year upgrades and you're touching 100k at year one left seat.


How does that work? At AirlinePilotCentral, it gives $81/hr for year one @ 80/month, that's $6480 x 12 = $78k :?:


Per diems.


Not income. Keep saying so, and soon enough the tax man will say so as well



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:14 am 
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iflyroads wrote:
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mmm..bacon wrote:

How does that work? At AirlinePilotCentral, it gives $81/hr for year one @ 80/month, that's $6480 x 12 = $78k :?:


Per diems.


Not income. Keep saying so, and soon enough the tax man will say so as well


No, he won't. Because the tax man is a CRA employee entitled to $90+ per day when travelling on business.

So long as a per diem compensation level is at or below the Federal Govt level, there is no reason it should attract the attention of CRA.



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:08 am 
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You can't forecast wages based on the minimums. I have averaged 86hrs a month plus a WDO a month since I've been on the property. There have been no months under 80hrs for me. A little OT makes a huge difference in yearly totals too and it's easy to get. Don't forget block growth too.

So 85 x 75 = 6375
1.5 x75 = 112
WDO 4.5 x 1.5 x 75 = 506

6993 x 12 = 83922.

As a year one capt. Working 15-16days a month. Add on an extra 1100/month cash in per diems. Become a bit of an overtime whore or get really creative with your bidding and it'd touch 100 in the first year or two. Actually, let's break it down a bit...

Let's say you build high credit pairings and have some NBG, for a normal month at 15 days at the 86hr mark and do 3 WDO. That's an extra g note from above numbers..All year long? 12k. Putting you at just a hair under 96k. Year one. Add on the performance incentive, a little ESOP action, including the dividends... You're now over 100 without breaking a sweat or including those 'not wages' per diems. Can't forget, those WDO numbers are based on a min credit day. Say you pick up a 6hr day.. Now you're looking at 9hrs pay. Again, not rocket science to get north of 6 figures.

There are quite a few dash drivers in the 150-160k range... Although they've been here a while.

People keep talking about these low time inexperienced kids getting hired. Haven't seen it. Everyone thus far between 2-6k with two crew and multi time with the occasional 1500hr A licenced one hiding in there.

I doubt that'll change as the costs very quickly go up below that mark in terms of training and operations.

But what do I know, I'm just some line driver.



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
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rudder wrote:
iflyroads wrote:
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Per diems.


Not income. Keep saying so, and soon enough the tax man will say so as well


No, he won't. Because the tax man is a CRA employee entitled to $90+ per day when travelling on business.

So long as a per diem compensation level is at or below the Federal Govt level, there is no reason it should attract the attention of CRA.


How often does a CRA employee travel and make that 90 per day compared to a pilot?



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
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iflyroads wrote:
rudder wrote:
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Not income. Keep saying so, and soon enough the tax man will say so as well


No, he won't. Because the tax man is a CRA employee entitled to $90+ per day when travelling on business.

So long as a per diem compensation level is at or below the Federal Govt level, there is no reason it should attract the attention of CRA.


How often does a CRA employee travel and make that 90 per day compared to a pilot?


They had better not come after it. I am already taxed on my parking pass...that's insult enough


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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
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iflyroads wrote:
rudder wrote:
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Not income. Keep saying so, and soon enough the tax man will say so as well


No, he won't. Because the tax man is a CRA employee entitled to $90+ per day when travelling on business.

So long as a per diem compensation level is at or below the Federal Govt level, there is no reason it should attract the attention of CRA.


How often does a CRA employee travel and make that 90 per day compared to a pilot?


If you understood how the guidelines work, it does not matter.

http://www.njc-cnm.gc.ca/directive/inde ... 8&lang=eng



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
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Does Jazz notify you if your application did not interest them, or do you hear back from them only if they call you for an interview?

I applied 3 months ago with 1500 hrs and an ATPL but <100 multi, and heard nothing. I would love to know if my application is still alive or dead.



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
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From what I understand, they keep your application open for a year. Keep updating it as you gain more experience. I know nothing of your resume, but I have observed that Jazz seems to like people with IFR 70x experience. 703 captains, 704/705 FOs and captains. This is on top of the ATPL exams at a minimum.

I'd imagine a PC-12 captain with an ATPL would be in pretty good shape provided his resume/cover letter is in good shape too.



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:55 pm 
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ATPL exams are not necessary, an iatra will suffice


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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
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Multi time, however still seems to be fairly important. Especially MPIC unless you have quite a significant amount of turbine or jet right seat time. Although there are likely people who have been hired with only single time I am not aware of any myself.


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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:41 am 
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Last year I got a call for an interview with about 1250 TT and 300 Multi. ATPLs written. I do think they want some two crew time as well. I know they haven't even given interviews to some friends with 1500+ TT and ATPLs written, with time on the PC12, which is a bit of a bummer and thus they have passed over some good pilots/people.


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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:40 am 
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Jazz requires 250 multi time minimum for non college/pathway applicants. If you don't have that your name will not show up in the system for interview calls. Explanation was rate of failure is higher (don't know numbers) for candidates with low multi time, therefore higher cost for the company hence the hard minimum. More experience, A's etc.. is obviously bonus.


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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:23 pm 
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I heard similar, but the choices on the form are not 250. IIRC they were "Under 500 multi" "500-1000 multi" and "1000+ multi."

I don't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure there was not a 250 multi checkbox option?



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:41 pm 
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Has anyone actually been hired or even received a call for an interview with an iatra? Assuming you meet the multi and two crew experience requirements.


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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
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navapro wrote:
Has anyone actually been hired or even received a call for an interview with an iatra? Assuming you meet the multi and two crew experience requirements.


Yes! Having your AAs (AAs written) is important, but not a disqualifying factor. If you have experience they will take you. I know some people that got a bit too busy with life and never wrote their AAs, but have their CPL + IATRA and over 2000 hrs and were hired.



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
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My course had 4 that did not have their AA. But they were +2k and had MPIC...


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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
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navapro wrote:
Has anyone actually been hired or even received a call for an interview with an iatra? Assuming you meet the multi and two crew experience requirements.


One in my course IATRA only, 1900 hours and a buddy was hired earlier this year sub 1500 with IATRA but had the PIC requirements already done for the AAs.



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:46 pm 
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Hi everybody
Just wondering if anyone had any update on the experience that people is getting hired with.
Thanks



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
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I wonder if NickyNick got a call yet? :rolleyes:

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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
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Well, it seems like ME time is a big factor, ME PIC time even bigger....nothing out of the ordinary. Are all newbies going onto the dash/q400?


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North Shore wrote:
I wonder if NickyNick got a call yet? :rolleyes:


He is building his own SIM out plywood/cardboard in his room down in the parents basement. I am sure when it's operational he will certainly enlighten us when he gets the call from JAZZ, there will be no need for a SIM evaluation because there isn't much if anything he doesn't know or has seen with the newly constructed device.......



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
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PIC_26 wrote:
Well, it seems like ME time is a big factor, ME PIC time even bigger....nothing out of the ordinary. Are all newbies going onto the dash/q400?


Last class had 2 RJs I believe and about 5 or 6 Q400s, the rest being "Classic". They were all YUL based. Some people pick the plane, some pick the base.



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Jan 3 draw was 2 RJ, 4 Q400, 5 DH8 all out of YUL.

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 Post subject: Re: Jazz Experience
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PIC_26 wrote:
Well, it seems like ME time is a big factor, ME PIC time even bigger....nothing out of the ordinary. Are all newbies going onto the dash/q400?


Since Nov there has been around 12 RJ spots. There majority of hiring going onto the classic with a number of Q400.



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