Bearskin sans nose wheel

Flying Low · Post by **Flying Low** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:47 pm

Congrats to the crew of the Metro in T-Bay. You did an excellent job of putting it down without the nose wheel! I'm told you even had the props stopped on the roll out before lowering the nose. Nicely done!

leftyxl · Post by **leftyxl** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:05 pm

Well done boys. I hope Harvey had something good to say

do we know who the crew is? kudos!

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:22 pm

The AFM states that in the event of a nosewheel up landing that when the mains touch you pull the Stop & Feathers to reduce the risk of the props disintigrating when they strike the runway.
I've witnessed the result of a power-on gear up landing in a Metro, and the pilots were extremely lucky they weren't sliced to bits by the shrapnel that penetrated the cockpit.

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:51 pm

JayVee.......Flying Low's post stated that the pilots did just that.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:00 pm

SkyHigh,

Thanks, I know, I was simply trying to say why they did it.

bobcaygeon · Post by **bobcaygeon** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:06 pm

Actually the blades will penetrate the fuselage about row 1 or 2 (props are way behind cockpit and forward momentum contributes) You must be thinking of a slow plane like a king air 100

PS U shouldn't need a AFM to tell U to turn the engines off before U put the nose down

You can take the kid from the city but you can't the city from the kid

linecrew · Post by **linecrew** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:58 am

A cargo Metro landed gearup inadvertantly in Ottawa in the late 90's and the prop on the #2 engine penetrated the fuselage. A large piece hit the fire extinguisher in the cabin and was flung forward passing between both pilot's heads before lodging itself between the top of the panel and the windshield right in front of the FO.

I actually saw the piece myself after the aircraft was towed into one of the local FBO's...total blind luck that neither crewmember was killed. Had there been anyone in the jumpseat (actually just a standard pax seat left in the cabin) they would have been either severely injured or killed as that is where the blade entered the fuselage.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:34 am

bobcaygeon,

Thanks for your armchair hero input, but I'm pretty sure I'm talking about the same incident linecrew mentioned.

After ten thousand hours in a Metro I know where the props are located in relation to the cockpit, thanks for pointing that out, though.

I do apologize for incorrectly stating that the props penetrated the cockpit. They actually penetrated the fuselage within a couple feet adjacent to their location, exitted within the same area, including the cabin door, and pieces ricocheted into the cockpit.

Nice to condemn someone for referring to the AFM in an abnormal situation. Maybe the crew shouldn't have spent three hours in the air trying everything they, maintenance and others could think of to dislodge the nosewheel, including taking a peek at the AFM. Ever hear of CRM? What's it like being omniscient? (insert quote from Ricky here)

You can take the arsehole out of the bush, but he's still an arsehole.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:49 am

Hey, a safe landing is a safe landing.

GOOD SHOW!!

-istp

Naughty Catholic · Post by **Naughty Catholic** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:19 am

I was at the airport when this happened and i was suprised at how well it all went. Good job Guys

Pilatusable · Post by **Pilatusable** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:13 am

What time did it happen? Does anyone have any pictures? Great job getting it down guys.

Flying Low · Post by **Flying Low** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:05 pm

Low res digital pic is all I have:

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:05 am

Good job guys! From what I've seen and heard the tube is scary enough to land with all gears extended.

wha happen · Post by **wha happen** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:55 am

ill be the first to give you guys the "atta boy"

Atta boy

tcas · Post by **tcas** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:27 pm

Did anyone hear they had a metro come in with 1 engine in yxl the next day or is this a rumor?

El Comat · Post by **El Comat** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:24 pm

Ya I heard the same thing.....I think it was around 1730 on the 7th when it happened from what I hear.

flyinhigh · Post by **flyinhigh** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:43 pm

Is it me or are these metros starting to be maintenance queens?

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:15 pm

The first seat immediatly behind the right seat pilot, often used as a jump seat for cargo Metro's is refered to as the "hamburger" seat. THat turbo dildo in YOW was on a training flight. Scared the living shit out of the pilots. The trainee flunked, the trainer went on to a career with the same airline. Helps when you are family. Both were real good guys and the accident was just an oops.

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:37 am

Everyone is entitled to a bad week .. Nothing to get all excited about ..

Redneck_pilot86 · Post by **Redneck_pilot86** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:35 am

The Buggers went and scraped our brand new pavement

But good job guys.

arrow206 · Post by **arrow206** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:26 pm

Heard there was a video floating around .. anyone know where to access it?
Thanx

greenwich · Post by **greenwich** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:28 pm

No sh1t on a job well done!!

There's a lot of airplane between the mains and the nose cone!

G

ditshisturber · Post by **ditshisturber** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:00 pm

Any luck on finding the alleged video?

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:24 pm

I've seen the video. It's not great, it's filmed from the Thunder hanger about 600' away. Bearskin mgmt has the video now.

bob1 · Post by **bob1** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:27 pm

I got some pretty good pics of that, if u want them email me @ tbay_@hotmail.com