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 Post subject: Voyageur
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:26 am 
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``The successful candidate will be domiciled overseas at our current bases located throughout Africa on a typical rotation pattern of 8 weeks in / 8 weeks out. Opportunities may include some domestic charters when applicable.``

8 weeks out? Domestic charters? Does it mean that you're not OFF during your 8 weeks out and you need to stay standby in North Bay?

Is it still a 15 000$ bond for one year?

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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:57 am 
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You're OFF for your 8 weeks. They may ask if you're interested in a charter if it comes up, you can say no. I imagine the bond still exists.


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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
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8 weeks over seas, travel on your time off so your 8 off is more like 7 off ish. You can live anywhere in Canada. No requirement to work on your time off. I can only assume $15,000 one year bond.


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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
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And when you renew your PPC you do this during your time away or your time OFF?

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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
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What's the pay?

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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
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So what's the job actually like? I mean specifically the CRJ in Africa.


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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
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Unless things have changed, you don't get to choose which aircraft you fly. The good news is that they are all good 705 machines.

You might get some say in basing if there is more than one opening that lines up with your availability. I think other than Afghanistan you didn't have the right to turn down a base assignment and hold out for something better.



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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:16 am 
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Last information I got (January 2017):
- starting salary is 36000$ for an F/O and 55000$ for a captain (same on DHC8 and CRJ).
- Paid only when working or during training.
- salary x 1.35 when outside of Canada
- no pay during time off, you get just the benefits
- 8 weeks on / 8 weeks off
- travel during time off
- training during time off
- per diem is 50$ a day
- eligible for the benefits after 3 months
- pension plan after 2 years
- 15000$ loan, no money goes to VAL, it's on a bank account and stays there for one year (0% credit with the bank or you can advance the money)
- right now they have contracts in Mali, Niger, DRC, Sudan, South Sudan, Uganda



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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:53 am 
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Looking at older Voyageur threads, it would appear that salary/perdiems haven't changed in years...


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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
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Anyone know what their medevac side pays?


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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
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Thank you Pecessix for that very useful information.

I'm trying to figure out what a new FO on the Dash 8 or CRJ would make during his/her first year.

This is what I've come up with...

Salary for overseas work: 36000 x 1.35 = 48600
Per diems for half the year: 50 x 182 = 9100

Total: 48600 + 9100 = 57700

Can someone confirm these numbers?

Thanks in advance.



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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:42 pm 
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Do you people pay the required 10% tithe to your church on per diems?

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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
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Unless you can subsist on sand and the local variety of grubs for each meal, per diems are not salary and shouldn't be counted as such. $50 per day is pretty lousy too.


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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
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Lebowski wrote:
Thank you Pecessix for that very useful information.

I'm trying to figure out what a new FO on the Dash 8 or CRJ would make during his/her first year.

This is what I've come up with...

Salary for overseas work: 36000 x 1.35 = 48600
Per diems for half the year: 50 x 182 = 9100

Total: 48600 + 9100 = 57700

Can someone confirm these numbers?

Thanks in advance.


Factoring in that you are not paid on time off and it is 135% on top of domestic when on rotation, it works out to 17.5% over annual base.

36000 x 17.5% = 42300



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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:51 am 
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You mean that the 36000$ base salary as F/O is actually only 18000$!? (half of it/6 month per year)

I think you have it wrong, otherwise base salary would be listed as 18K instead of 36K (time whatever while in the field)



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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:12 am 
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You'd have to add another 0 to those salaries to get me anywhere near Africa. Not much better than an entry level -8 job in Canada. Unless you like the overseas stuff....


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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:45 am 
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Believe my math is correct..


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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:44 pm 
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Yes your math is correct.

But I highly doubt this 18k coming out as a result would be the actual base salary (plus field pay)
That sounds insanely low and you make sound that Voyager is misleading about salary prospects when 36k is advertised as starting base salary.

This makes more sense:
Lebowski wrote:
Salary for overseas work: 36000 x 1.35 = 48600

Even if you get no pay during time off, that's what should be your overall T4, I think...Anyone can confirm?



Still low :|



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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:17 am 
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Math is wrong.
FO Base salary = $36k
Overseas bonus = 135% pay so you get 235% of salary when overseas (100%+135%). May still be some bases with higher bonus rates - don't work there anymore.
work 6 months = 36/2*235% = $42.3k
Add 7% (I believe) vacation pay, so another $2520.
You get paid base salary when doing training, sims, etc, in Canada + from end of initial training & starting work (so if there is a one month delay in getting you overseas you still get paid). No pay for travel other than per diems.
If you want to make more, you can work more/lots of people extend their tours & others work back home in Canada//you have roughly 5 months time in Canada, or wherever you decide to take your time off.



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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
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Bolter wrote:
Math is wrong.
FO Base salary = $36k
Overseas bonus = 135% pay so you get 235% of salary when overseas (100%+135%). May still be some bases with higher bonus rates - don't work there anymore.
work 6 months = 36/2*235% = $42.3k

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36000 x 17.5% = 42300

Since you both arrive with a same number, math must be right :mrgreen:

So Voyager advertise 36k as base salary for new F/O.
Then:
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Base salary is a fixed amount of money paid to an employee by an employer in return for work performed. Base salary does not include benefits, bonuses or any other potential compensation from an employer. Base salary is paid, most frequently, in a bi-weekly paycheck to an exempt or professional employee.

If I follow correctly, a new employee at Voyager won't get this base salary of 36k per year no matter the day worked.
It will be instead a pro rata on those day worked (plus field pay when applicable)


Kind of misleading to call this 36k a "base" salary.



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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:37 pm 
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Any idea what it is like with Voyager on their maintenance side? I saw a post for them looking for some M or E wrenches.
Specifically want to know what pay, travel, rotation and working conditions would be like.

Thanks



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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
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Well first off one thing to consider if it is for the overseas gig, those details further up in the thread might not apply depending where they stick you. European ACMIs have ushered in a B scale for pay and rotations. You may notice that they have dropped the 8 weeks in / 8 weeks out from their ads.

The above is still applicable for Africa. Europe on the other hand...

Domestic pay while you are on rotation
50% Incentive while on rotation
100Euro PD while on rotation
8 weeks on / 4 weeks off is their advertised rotation for Europe.

The carrot is no longer as enticing



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 Post subject: Re: Voyageur
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You forgot to add the free bonus of no risk of malaria for the Euro Ops :lol:

Thought the pay scale would have improved with the current shortage of AME's and pilots...



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