AC Sueing Westjet

madjak · Post by **madjak** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:48 pm

Why?? are they getting desperate to destroy their copetition or what??

mcrit · Post by **mcrit** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:53 pm

???????????

DA900 · Post by **DA900** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:56 pm

Could you expand that a little

eg. give us a link, copy and paste or tell us what you are talking about!

madjak · Post by **madjak** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:56 pm

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/arch ... c8784.html

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:08 pm

It sure sounds like a few WJ employees went a little to far. If that turns out to be the case you can expect WJ to dump all the employees involved.

DA900 · Post by **DA900** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:17 pm

Thats info was a little vague. Do you know what they did or what there actions were to warrant the investigtion?

madjak · Post by **madjak** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:22 pm

Trying to get all the info myself as being a Westjetter. I would like to know

madjak · Post by **madjak** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:23 pm

If anyone has any info feel free to let us all know

madjak · Post by **madjak** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:29 pm

Here is another link

http://ca.news.moneycentral.msn.com/tic ... bol=CA:WJA

ahramin · Post by **ahramin** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:30 pm

Hi madjak. Just a friendly hint. It is not necessary to make a new post for every line you write.

madjak · Post by **madjak** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:06 pm

Here is the latest that I could find on this topic

http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet ... v-business

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:33 pm

Hmm I’m surprised that WJ management would use espionage information to formulate their corporate planning. Hey there’s a dollar price to be paid if you get caught and the culprit will be sacrificed.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:37 pm

How much are the legal fees?

Maybe if they weren't paying the lawyers a million a day they might actually profit??

eatingKD · Post by **eatingKD** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:37 pm

Sounds like no one knows what they are talking about. Till someone does why do we wait for more info

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:38 pm

How much are the legal fees?

Maybe if they weren't paying the lawyers a million a day they might actually profit??

"As part of his separation package when Lafond left Canadian Airlines in October 2000, he received two space-available airline tickets per year for five years. These tickets are booked through the private website.

The airline alleges Lafond's identification number was used 243,630 times between May 15, 2003, and March 19, 2004, to access the website."

ROFL.. So air canada is sueing someone for their stupidity again??

<HHAHAHA>

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:55 pm

Sure speaks volumes about the corporate ethics of WJ. Of course this is not the first time that they cooked the books so to speak. If I remember correctly there was this fiasco over falsifying the maintenance records a few years back. According to the Edmonton Journal they paid the fine.

Some of you folks sure make fools of yourselves when you don't know about all the skeletons in the closet.

Mr.Potatohead · Post by **Mr.Potatohead** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:07 pm

I totally agree rebel.
cyyz, to take such pleasure in the misfortune of other pilots (because AC pilots are also pilots you know, with bills and mortgages), you must be one big Winner....oopps, I mean Wiener.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:16 pm

Mr.Potatohead wrote:to take such pleasure in the misfortune of other pilots (because AC pilots are also pilots you know, with bills)

Did you read any of the links/articles???

Air Canada the employer of a pilot had him fired. You know the guy who had bills to pay.

What was their great "pension" to the bugger.. 5 free pairs of tickets every year.. The guy who had a family to feed got 10 tickets to fly them around the world.. But no money to feed his poor family..

So he was left to access his account****

*** which any company would have disconnected OR since he did have to book those tickets through the private system, god forbid they just reimburse him on whatever he bought through the normal booking system or just cut down his access. You don't see AvCanada giving access to everyone on his board to rummage through his stuff?? Do you?

So again. This thread is about AC suing unjustly WJ.

They fired the guy with bills.
They left his access to 100% admin do whatever you want.
They took 5 years and 300,000 logins to figure it out??

That my friend is called a crappy company. They're trying to sue unjustly a good company.. How was WJ supposed to know the guy wasn't supposed to look at the info and tell people about it??? They left an EX-employee with access to "vital" info.. wasn't so "vital" if they left him with access..

But guess what, you think I'm wrong.. So how about you give me the keys to your car and house and let me use it.. Since I have to eat too right???

DA900 · Post by **DA900** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:30 pm

Hmmmm

I not saying what WJ did was right but, I bet AC would have done the same thing given the chance. I do admit that was pretty clever.

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:38 pm

edited cause this computer is a pile o crap

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:39 pm

Mr. Potatohead

Yes I agree and that's one of the reasons that this industry is in so much trouble. But that speaks volumes about their personal ethices too.

Canadian Press

Air Canada sued WestJet Airlines and two of its employees on Tuesday, alleging the discount carrier used information on a private Air Canada website to plan its expansion.

Air Canada alleges WestJet used the personal identification number of Jeffrey Lafond, a former Canadian Airlines employee hired by WestJet as a financial analyst, to access the website and find out detailed information about Air Canada's routes and market conditions.

The private website is used by Air Canada employees to book personal travel.

In its statement of claim filed in Ontario Superior Court, Air Canada alleges WestJet, Lafond, and Mark Hill — the airline's vice-president of strategic planning — used the information to identify Air Canada's most profitable flights and times.

Using that confidential information, WestJet adjusted its own schedule, planned its expansion into new routes and adopted pricing strategies to force its larger competitor out of certain markets, Air Canada alleges.

"Its abuse of the plaintiffs' confidential information has enabled WestJet to expand its service, its revenue and its profitability at a more rapid pace than it would without the plaintiffs' confidential information," Air Canada said.

As part of his separation package when Lafond left Canadian Airlines in October 2000, he received two space-available airline tickets per year for five years. These tickets are booked through the private website.

The airline alleges Lafond's identification number was used 243,630 times between May 15, 2003, and March 19, 2004, to access the website.

"The continuous and massive use of Lafond's employee ID number and PIN to access the employee website could not be done by one individual and far exceeds any possible potential use by Lafond," Air Canada said.

"Such massive access to the employee website through one employee ID number could only be accomplished through automated technology."

Air Canada is seeking $5-million in punitive damages, as well as damages for lost revenues and profits.

The airline also asked that any WestJet profits earned from use of the information be held in trust and that all the data be returned to Air Canada.

Officials at Calgary-based WestJet were not immediately available for comment.

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:39 pm

Interesting legal question, is it corporate espionage if you're the one who's given him access?

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:55 pm

Hi shitdisturber

I don’t know but I suspect that there is something in the confidential clause that the lawyers would have inserted in order to prevent abuses such as this.

Its rather surprising that upper management would be so stupid as to get caught in such an act. But WJ has done it before with the maintenance non-compliance fiasco, which rather surprised the industry. That time WJ was within hours of having their operating licence pulled by TC.

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:38 pm

Rebel, that was going to be my next question, is there an exclusivity clause with regards to the use of the company news forum? If not, I don't see how AC has a leg to stand on. One thing i'm sure of though, if there isn't/wasn't such a clause, there is now.

peeelot · Post by **peeelot** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:45 pm

Air Canada is pulling out all the stops. They knows that they are in the spotlight too much and they are trying to bring everyone else down with them. Let me ask all of you one thing. Do we really need one national carrier or do you think we can handle 2 or 3. Keep this in mind the population has grown since that days of Canadian. And wee all remember the days before westjet VIA was making a load of money off of poeple going major business centres. Air Canada dose nothing but cause trouble and we should be ashamed that they are our National Carrier. I have flown them at least 15 times and not once did I have one FA smile and say thanks. I have flown wj 5 times and I was treated like a person somthing that never happened with Air Canada.