Air Canada's Embraer ERJ-175

b767jetmec · Post by **b767jetmec** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:07 am

The ERJ`s did come with leather seats but AC didn`t want them. Don`t know why though!

As for the price of a CL65, AC paid between $28-31 million per. I don`t know were the that fellow who said an A320 was $30 mil. got his info from. That is very wrong. If memory serves me correctly, I believe we paid approx. $80mil. for the Airbuses.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:52 pm

Where do your numbers come from?????

Ya Rebel, I am enjoying the Embraer so far but still in the sim. Should be finished mid August.

KKboy · Post by **KKboy** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:58 am

Air Canada bought ERJ in order to get routes into S America and secondly to take advantage of alliance purchasing agreements. The CRJ 705 they bought were ordered by US Air who cancelled and ACE got the machines by default.

The CRJ 700/705/900 is a far better aircraft than previous100/200 models and will do OK in a market which is changing into high efficiency single isle from a more regional outlook.

The CRJ 100/200 were good aircraft in there time but they are essentially disposable and not "Heavy Metal" like a F28-100 or MD90.
Plugs or no plugs the type has evolved into a very effective aircraft.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:10 pm

KKboy wrote:Air Canada bought ERJ in order to get routes into S America and secondly.....................

Who told you that? I haven't heard anything more inaccurate in awhile. It amazes me how this stuff appears.

Which South American routes did AC acquire as a result of going with Embraer? It wasn't Sao Paulo, that came with Canadian. AC flies to Lima, Santiago and Buenos Aires, non of which are in Brazil.

b767jetmec · Post by **b767jetmec** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:39 pm

Jaques Strappe wrote:Where do your numbers come from?????

I got these numbers (prices) from the instructors I had when I was on the endorsement courses.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 1:40 pm

Wow,

I didn't realize that an Airbus was 80 million. They didn't even come with an ADF!

Main Gear · Post by **Main Gear** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:47 pm

I would say the Airbus is closer to 30 million, than 80 mil. Two for one.

natedog · Post by **natedog** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:56 pm

The ERJ will be a good jet for the AC fleet even though its more of a regional jet than a mainline aircraft, the speed and cargo capacity on these are crap. As for them being more comfortable than the new Jazz 705's thats wrong! The 705 has more room than most of the larger jets with a 36" seat pitch(leather seats)throughout the aircraft and once the video on demand systems are installed the 705 will be the aircraft of choice. I am looking forward to the ERJ's because it will alow AC to expand back to the way it was a few years ago.

EI-EIO · Post by **EI-EIO** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:57 am

Aren't the 705s essentially 75 seater 900s? In that case seat pitch would obviously be better.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 5:26 am

natedog wrote:The ERJ will be a good jet for the AC fleet even though its more of a regional jet than a mainline aircraft, the speed and cargo capacity on these are crap. As for them being more comfortable than the new Jazz 705's thats wrong! The 705 has more room than most of the larger jets with a 36" seat pitch(leather seats)throughout the aircraft and once the video on demand systems are installed the 705 will be the aircraft of choice. I am looking forward to the ERJ's because it will alow AC to expand back to the way it was a few years ago.

The E190 is the same weight as a DC9, cruises at Mach .82 with a 2200 mile range and has a seat pitch of up to 38 inches with video entertainment in each seat back.

Gurundu the Rat · Post by **Gurundu the Rat** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:02 am

Does anyone know when the E190s will start entering the fleet?

Captn Flex · Post by **Captn Flex** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:44 am

EMJ 190 will start to arrive at AC December 2005.

whiteguy · Post by **whiteguy** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:55 am

Captn Flex wrote:EMJ 190 will start to arrive at AC December 2005.

The 190s start arriving in Nov, they go into service in Dec. I don't if its the first route with the 190, but YYC-EWR starts Dec 1st.

minni-me · Post by **minni-me** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:02 am

The cruise speed is not .82 on the E-Jets (175/190), Mmo is .82. Cruise is somwhere in the range of .74-76.

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:06 pm

What's going to be the story with crews when the 190s come on-line? Just differences training like 319 vs. 320?

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:17 pm

Gelbisch

Right now we have an E170 endorsement which covers the 170/175.

There will be a differences course but nobody seems to know if there will be a seperate 190 endorsement.

I would imagine that there would be because I had to do a differences course to get a 757 endorsement based on my 767 and except for weight and an extra fuel tank, the 75/76 are virtually identical but show as different type endorsements.

duplicate2 · Post by **duplicate2** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:38 am

EI-EIO wrote:Aren't the 705s essentially 75 seater 900s? In that case seat pitch would obviously be better.

The idea is to include a business class section, using up the extra space on more seat pitch and wider seats (only 3 abreast) in business class.

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:17 pm

I see. Thanks for the info!

On a completely different topic of no relevance to this thread, just curious... how do upgrades work at AC? Is experience ever a factor, or is it strictly seniority? How about performance in the right seat? And also, I've heard mention a couple times of direct-entry captains... does that ever actually happen at AC? With the seniority system, I'm curious as to how that'd be possible.

And one last question...

WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO CALL???

Anyway, head out of the clouds... back to work tonight so I guess I ought to start thinking about the company I work for as opposed to the one I do not.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:41 pm

Gelbisch

The most recent direct entry Captains were hired back in 1995/1996 with the RJ. There was so much expansion going on, that at the time, left seat RJ was the second most junior position to be in anyway.

As for getting an upgrade, you can bid whatever you want and when your seniority allows it, you go there. So you could do your upgrade to the left seat on the A340 for example but you would be waiting a long time.

When you are able to hold your first command at Air Canada, you will do a command ground school, then the groundschool and simulator for the aircraft you bid. Then you will do traditional line indoc with a command initial line check.

Now you are qualified as an F/O to fly from the left seat with a right seat qualified Capt. You do this for about 50-75 hours. (There was another line check here but I think it has since been discontinued.) If they are happy with the way you are running your operation, you then go back to the simulator for some "Command Sims" which are basically lofts, summer and winter scenario and here they will try to put you into a corner with either weather, fuel, multiple failures or all of the above, just to see how you deal with pressure and prioritize tasks. (You will probably deviate from SOP or throw down the QRH at some point in this excercise.)

After that you will go back on the line for your "command final" check which is usually a 4 day cycle. At some point on day 3 or 4 if all goes well, you will be promoted and given the 4th stripe. The name on the flight plan will change to yours and Captain pay starts from that point.

If I remember correctly, it took about 3-4 months.

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:19 pm

Once again, thanks for the info. I guess that's more or less how I understood it to work, but as usual I've been hearing some goofy rumours and was just wondering what the protocol is.

Cheers!

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:21 pm

Just curious... how many Embraers are on-line now? And how many crews does AC usually put on an a/c? I heard rumours that the current and later courses could have some folks going RP, and was just wondering if a lot of the Embraer spots are filled 'til new a/c arrive?

Just thinking out loud...

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:23 pm

Gelbish

I think there are 5 or 6 online now and the arrival rate will be rapid. The 190 arrives in November. Normally the airline is crewed to 7 crews per aircraft I believe but the Embraer will be 5.

As for RP spots coming up, that could be quite possible. Not due to the Embraer F/O spots being filled but because awarded Captain spots are leaving a vacuum on the larger aircraft F/O lists which has a downline effect thus requiring RPs.

Clear as mud?

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:08 pm

Naw, makes some semblance of sense.

Crew sked and managing the rosters is a still mysterious, mystical voodoo of a religion that I can make little or no sense of. I don't envy those guys/gals their jobs!

WJflyer · Post by **WJflyer** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:11 pm

I heard that the Air Canada ramp staff really dislikes the Embraer jets that Air Canada are recieving. Something about the cargo hold's height, and the fact that the cargo hold is a real bitch to load. They also say that the CRJ's cargo hold is a heck of a lot more easier to load, and the rampers prefer them over the Embraers.

Trickkles · Post by **Trickkles** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:38 pm

grammar boy wrote:
WS739 wrote:Pretty shitty pay scales for those new F/O's!!!!!

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/102/11/
Uncalled for. You make yourself, and other WestJetters look like idiots when you pull crap like that. Something to think about next time you ponder hijacking a thread...

Well put grammer boy!!! They can certainly give it but they certainly can't take it!

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