Harrison Ford Mistakes Taxiway for Runway

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godsrcrazy wrote:
pelmet wrote:He does appear to be incident-prone. Some stuff was not his fault, other stuff is. But in the end, he has been incident prone.
I have a good friend that had 2 crashes before he hit 1,000 hours. One was defiantly not his fault. The other could not be decided. Trust me he was ready to hang it up until he was convinced to give it another go. Now has over 15,000 hours with no incidents not a scratch. So do you think he would have been considered incident prone and should have had his Licence pulled.
Why are you asking me if I think your friend should have his license pulled. No doubt because you misread my post(never said anything about pulling a license).

As for Mr. Ford, he has had two aircraft accidents, one taxiway landing and the Millenium Falcon fell on his leg breaking it. Sorry, but he has been incident-prone even if most of it have been beyond his control.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... firms.html

Here is proof right here....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SofTwyYi6Uo
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Please stop making disparaging remarks about this profession,
Sorry you feel my remarks are disparaging.

But we still come back to how low the bar is to get licensed to fly commercially.

As I have pointed out there is no education requirements...period.

Passing the T.C. exams is not that great a mountain to climb because if you fail an exam you can just take it over and over until you get the correct choices in the multiple choice format...sooner or later you will pass even if you really don't understand the subject.

The flight test is the same, just keep trying and sooner or later you should pass, because the bar is really not that high when it comes to flying skills.
I am personally going to lobby T.C to set the standard to 95%, then maybe idiots will not be able to make the cut!
95% of the standard required now won't really make that much difference, what is needed is a complete change in the standards required and go back to written exams that require a written answer...like it used to be which gives a far better in-site into just how well the person answering the question understands the subject.

I spent a lifetime hiring and training pilots and the quality of skills both flying wise and decision making wise left a lot to be desired in far to many licensed pilots.

Of course my lack of early formal education did not have any effect on my career because I made sure I understood what I was learning and never quit learning.

Flying can be a rewarding career for sure but there are far to many unrewarding careers out there.

You can make it better by getting rid of the way flight training is governed and replacing it with a more demanding path to the license.

The Canadian FTU system has been in a state of inertia for many decades and shows no sign of the drones in T.C. ever improving it.

But to do that you have to pay the teachers very well...that would be a good start right there because you sure do not get a quality product with sub par teaching.

It really does not matter to me any more because I retired in 2005 and had made enough to live real well for a long long time. :mrgreen:

My negative remarks are driven by despair and sadness for the industry, not by my dislike for aviation because for me aviation was awesome and I got to fly for some of the worlds biggest aviation companies not to mention working as a adviser to the regulatory body in Europe ( EASA ).

So get together with your colleagues and change the regulatory system you have hanging around your necks now...
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godsrcrazy wrote:
fleet16b wrote:
shimmydampner wrote: Yes. Yes they should. And your flight instructor too. Harrison Ford is no different than any other weekend warrior who is clearly unfit for the hobby, and has moved on to endangering professionals at work.
Congratulations on making one of the most stupid short sighted statements ever on AVCANADA
Cant agree more. One would have to wonder what type of professional this individual is making a statement like that.

Near miss my butt. He landed on a taxi way. Its hard to say from the video but it looks to me like there was no airplane any closer then it would be if they were asked to hold short of a runway.
Boo effing hoo. I'm sorry, but a complete lack of awareness that you just landed on a taxiway and not a runway is an obvious indicator that not only is he unfit to fly as a hobby, he's a danger to others in the air and on the ground.
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Not crying about your reply in anyway
Just pointing out that you obviously have very little aviation or real life experience .
Get a few more years and hours under your belt and maybe just maybe you grow up a bit also ................LOL
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New evidence comes to light.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flXCWdhJnGY
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And a bit more(start at 2:30)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyTXWaQkCuE
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shimmydampner wrote:I'm sorry, but a complete lack of awareness that you just landed on a taxiway and not a runway is an obvious indicator that not only is he unfit to fly as a hobby, he's a danger to others in the air and on the ground.
What does a complete lack of awareness of one's own ignorance indicate? :roll:
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Aww, the Indiana Jones fan club is butt hurt, that's adorable. I will say, the slight majority of my career has been spent taking off of and landing on things other than runways, just like your hero Mr Ford. The difference is, every single time I've done so, I was never under the impression that I was on a runway.
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shimmydampner wrote:Aww, the Indiana Jones fan club is butt hurt, that's adorable. I will say, the slight majority of my career has been spent taking off of and landing on things other than runways, just like your hero Mr Ford. The difference is, every single time I've done so, I was never under the impression that I was on a runway.
:prayer: Your a legend in your own mind .....carry on oh god of the skies
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I really can't tell if shimmydampner is trolling here.
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And I really can't believe everyone thinks it's ok for a pilot to be so clueless.
If, during a flight test or ride, you unintentionally landed on a taxiway instead of a runway AND didn't have the situational awareness to realize it, should you be given a pass?
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Nobody's saying it's OK. It was a serious error.

As previously stated in this thread though, there are very few pilots who haven’t continued way further along in a situational awareness error than they care to admit; regardless of age, experience or licensing level.

As far as if/when he realized it, you have a grand total of about 6 unverified words, reportedly spoken on ATC, to judge the whole sequence of events on.
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As previously stated in this thread though, there are very few pilots who haven’t continued way further along in a situational awareness error than they care to admit; regardless of age, experience or licensing level.
And the longer one has flown the more likely they have made mistakes because it is human nature to make mistakes... I know I sure did.

The few here who have never fu.ked up is because they probably have not been flying very long.
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Sure, mistakes happen. Lapses in situational awareness happen. To everyone. However, this for me goes beyond an honest little woops. This isn't just lining up on final on a taxiway before recognizing and correcting the error. This is completely missing your designated, highly identifiable landing area on a bluebird day. There's an awful lot of clues to distinguish taxiways from runways even at a large, busy aerodrome. The fact that this mistake was missed and carried all the way to the ground, to me, indicates a colossal lack of the basic level of awareness required to be a pilot.
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Daily Mail Story from 2015 about SEA-TEC - stating B737 landed on taxiway - being 4th airliner to land on same taxiway - the previous one being a Air Canada 'Jazz' in 2004.

Aviation Safety of course I remember the Western DC-10 that landed on the closed runway in Mexico City.
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CF-18's Low Approach to Closed Airport

Hmm, should we crucify a couple of RCAF fighter boys as well?
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5T lined up for the taxiway in YMM.
http://avherald.com/h?article=48ed713c
Crucify them.

USAF lands at wrong airport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHMhClzfoi8
Crucify them.

Dreamlifter lands at wrong airport.
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... ng-airport
Crucify that guy to!

I have lined up for a ten mile final for the wrong airport(NASA Ames research base) I was trying to land at San Jose and luckily figured it out a few moments later, I would have never been confused if only the weather dictated me flying an instrument approach.
please crucify me. (or look at the two airports on google maps, they're pretty close together with the same kind of parallel runways.)

I also had to stop the FO from trying to turn final for Davis Monthan Air Force Base, We continued are base leg and landed successfully at Tucson. Damn screaming VFR days in America that have way too many airports near each other.
crucify the FO,

Or maybe, just maybe learn from these mistakes. Know that they can and do happen to inexperienced and very experienced pilots, do everything you can to prevent them. If you have been luckier and more skillful than I to never make a mistake flying then at least try and learn from the mistakes of others and be a better pilot.

Try telling some VFR weekend warrior who isn't used to flying in the states to land on 16C at SeaTac and I bet they will be double guessing themselves on what piece of pavement they should be putting the plane down on.

I make a conscious effort to take a very good look at the Taxi Diagram and like to use google maps before I fly into a bigger unfamiliar airports. Also, if you see a plane on the runway (in this case taxiway) you're about to land on I would suggest going around.
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It's not the landing on the taxiway that he should be crucified for it's the landing OVER ANOTHER AIRLINER that he should be crucified for, he knew something was weird / messed up and just did it anyway.
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fish4life wrote:It's not the landing on the taxiway that he should be crucified for it's the landing OVER ANOTHER AIRLINER that he should be crucified for, he knew something was weird / messed up and just did it anyway.
Nonsense. You can see in the video looking down the runway that the airliner pulls out under him at the last minute. Being a good VFR pilot, he knew there was lots of room, so he just landed over top. It's not unusual to have an airplane cleared to position and hold while you're still in the air on landing. At least it's not uncommon at the airports I fly from.

Nobody is saying the error wasn't serious, but as the outcome was uneventful the punishment will likely be uneventful as well.
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Half a lifetime ago a flight from London Heathrow landed at Cartierville instead of Montreal Dorval. For a long time Dorval controllers referred to the airline as Been Over At Cartierville. A few years after that Eastern landed a nine on the same runway. The guy turned around on the runway and took off for the 2-minute flight to Dorval and landed. Large problem, Cartierville R28 was closed, and they were tearing it up for a residential development.

Not the first time Ford has put one onto a golf course.
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http://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainment/ ... spartandhp

Harrison Ford Returns to the Sky Amid Investigation for Controversial Landing

Harrison Ford continues to man the cockpit as the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) investigates the actor’s incident last week when he mistakenly flew over a jetliner during a landing mixup.

The 74-year-old star was pictured flying his private plane out of the Santa Monica Airport in Santa Monica, California on Friday. Ford, who keeps his collection of planes there, chose to travel in his single-engined Cessna Caravan airliner. Though the plane can carry up to fourteen passengers, Ford was seen with only a co-pilot with him.

Last Monday, Ford inadvertently landed on an active taxiway instead of the parallel runway he was cleared at John Wayne Airport in Orange County, California, coming extremely close to an American Airlines flight with 116 people on board awaiting takeoff.

In a video of the incident, Ford’s yellow single-engine Husky aircraft is seen flying over the American Airlines flight waiting to cross the runway he was cleared for.

“I estimate that missed the aircraft by less than 100 feet,” Captain Ross Aimer, a retired United Airlines pilot and CEO of Aero Consulting Experts, previously explained to PEOPLE. “He came uncomfortably and dangerously close on that landing — the video is pretty clear.”

A spokesperson for the FAA confirmed to PEOPLE that it is opening an investigation into the incident, though it did not name the people involved. If Ford is found at fault, his private pilot’s license — which he uses to operate his vintage plane collection — could be suspended or even revoked, Aimer said.
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As previously stated in this thread though, there are very few pilots who haven’t continued way further along in a situational awareness error than they care to admit; regardless of age, experience or licensing level.
True words.

But in this day and age it is fashionable to be outraged about everything, and to post your outrage for the world to read.

The media loves it.

Some guy once said "let he is without sin cast the first stone"
Pretty wise words
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