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#1 Post by Newchallenge » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:30 pm

New to looking into regional carriers here and wondering about scheduling mainly. Is Jazz scheduling in pairings for multiple days at a time mainly? How many consecutive nights away from home base per month? How many days of work per month? Also when does bidding occur and when is the schedule fixed? Finally, are there Reserve or On Call shifts that are mandatory or up for grabs?

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Re: Schedules

#2 Post by KenoraPilot » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:14 am

Hey

The schedule at jazz is made up of single day, two day, three day and max four day pairings. On the Classic Dash 8 you can expect to work about 18 days a month on RSV and between 15-18 days on a block depending on the blocking average. On the RJ and the Q I can't quote as I don't fly those but it would be similar with maybe 16-17 days on RSV a month. You can bid whatever you like, if you want to be home every night you can bid all single day pairings or if you want your flying done quickly bid 4 day pairings as they "usually" (not this month) are higher credit pairings. Bidding starts on the 10th of the month and goes until the 14th, the schedule comes out on the 23rd of each month and is fixed. We have FLICA at jazz so you can trade and "attempt" to drop shifts (currently we are flying so much and so short staffed there aren't a lot of people picking up extra shifts) RSV lines are a fixed number of lines per month depending on the need at each base on each type.

Everything I wrote above is all subject to Seniority. So if you have poor seniority you kinda get what's left over be it flying or RSV. Once your seniority goes up you can choose to do RSV or choose a block and then you can start having more freedom of overnights and pairing lengths. Everything at Jazz is based on Seniority so if you're going to come to Jazz its better to get in sooner rather than later (seniority wise).

This is my own opinion as I've seen it over the past year at Jazz and I quite like it so far. I hope this helps answer your questions.
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#3 Post by Newchallenge » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:39 pm

Thanks very much. This is very helpful. Does anyone know if Sky Regional and Georgian function with a similar schedule structure?
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#4 Post by FL-280 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:09 pm

Go to GGN and tell us how it is please... :lol: :evil: :rolleyes:
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#5 Post by KenoraPilot » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:22 am

From friends I have that work at GGN and Sky, they don't have nearly the schedule that Jazz does. This is all second hand and opinion, however, from what they've told me and from what I've heard, the contract at Jazz is far superior than GGN or Sky's and even Encores. Again this is my opinion, but I have been around the industry for a while and have talked to quite a few people at all these companies so take it as my two cents.
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#6 Post by Newchallenge » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:59 pm

Ok, thanks for the feedback again. Cheers.
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#7 Post by Newchallenge » Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:56 am

Just wondering if Jazz has a PIC under supervision program as provided under the CARs, allowing one to accumulate a certain amount of PIC hours when working towards an ATPL without having upgraded to Captain.
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#8 Post by prop2jet » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:08 am

Newchallenge wrote:Just wondering if Jazz has a PIC under supervision program as provided under the CARs, allowing one to accumulate a certain amount of PIC hours when working towards an ATPL without having upgraded to Captain.
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#9 Post by Mône » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:07 am

About the PICUS program I'd like to advise not to bank on it. To log PICUS you have to be flying with a LTC; right now most LTCs are flying full line indoc lines, have been for the last 6 months+ and most likely will be for the foreseeable future. And if you are lucky enough to land a pairing with an LTC you will likely be displaced so a line indoc candidate can finish his training. So right now the program is a bit of a joke...
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#10 Post by ThatFliGuyDerr » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:00 pm

I would definitely not call the program a joke. I think people who lack the time for their ATPL are very lucky to even have the chance to log "PIC" Time this way. Let's be completely serious your not the one in command but your logging time as if you were. I'd say be thankful it's even offered.

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#11 Post by Black_Tusk » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:57 pm

Last I heard, a lot of the college hires these days are renting Cessnas because they can't get any time with LTC's. A bunch of them left for AC and the rest are busy with Line Indoc for new hires and upgrades. The company is so short LTC's they are sending people across the country just so they can pair them with an LTC and get through the consolidation period. So yea, I wouldn't count on PICUS anytime soon.
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#12 Post by KenoraPilot » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:51 pm

LTC and SIM guys are working their bag's off, (and will be for the next forever) I wouldn't expect to be able to lock down any LTC guys for PICUS and if you do you're lucky lucky! I have some friendly struggling for those last PIC hours at Jazz and they are renting 150's/172's to crush those last hours.
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#13 Post by HarrisonFord » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:22 am

Really sad when the only PIC time most, I won't say all because I know about 50% of us did it the proper way, pilots are getting is by renting a Cessna and flying it straight and level just watching the hobbs tick up hour by hour. How about before you come to the airlines you get a job where you actually have to learn and experience what it is to be a real pilot. Actually FLYING the plane and making decisions that really are about safety and strategy in getting to your destination. Not just flying from Buttonville to Barrie and back and logging it as PIC Cross country time.

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#14 Post by swervin » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:13 am

HarrisonFord wrote:Really sad when the only PIC time most, I won't say all because I know about 50% of us did it the proper way, pilots are getting is by renting a Cessna and flying it straight and level just watching the hobbs tick up hour by hour. How about before you come to the airlines you get a job where you actually have to learn and experience what it is to be a real pilot. Actually FLYING the plane and making decisions that really are about safety and strategy in getting to your destination. Not just flying from Buttonville to Barrie and back and logging it as PIC Cross country time.

Apologies for the rant.
I agree 100%.
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#15 Post by KenoraPilot » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:25 am

HarrisonFord wrote:Really sad when the only PIC time most, I won't say all because I know about 50% of us did it the proper way, pilots are getting is by renting a Cessna and flying it straight and level just watching the hobbs tick up hour by hour. How about before you come to the airlines you get a job where you actually have to learn and experience what it is to be a real pilot. Actually FLYING the plane and making decisions that really are about safety and strategy in getting to your destination. Not just flying from Buttonville to Barrie and back and logging it as PIC Cross country time.

Apologies for the rant.

I agree 100%, more for the fact that people are missing out on so much fun and experience out there. Most of my best friends are from my ramp and bush flying days! I now have no regrets flying at an airline (which isn't the most exciting flying). This is a great career opportunity for people in this day but when I stared in 2003 I look back and love the time I spent struggling (lol hind sight). I flew so many places and met so many people you can't trade that in. (Just my two cents)
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#16 Post by mbav8r » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:00 pm

Mône wrote:About the PICUS program I'd like to advise not to bank on it. To log PICUS you have to be flying with a LTC; right now most LTCs are flying full line indoc lines, have been for the last 6 months+ and most likely will be for the foreseeable future. And if you are lucky enough to land a pairing with an LTC you will likely be displaced so a line indoc candidate can finish his training. So right now the program is a bit of a joke...
I'm going to refrain from saying what I'm really thinking, suffice to say that comes across as self entitled, to make use of the program requires resources that are stretched thin and perhaps the program is a joke. As in the joke's on us, to think a college grad who was given an airline job out of school would be grateful to have that job and skip the "fun" of bush flying! Go rent a 152 and do some circuits, you'll be at AC in no time!
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#17 Post by goingnowherefast » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:53 pm

Live is an adventure. Have some fun and don't race to the destination (death?). Fly a float plane, do that northern King Air charter thing. You'll have plenty of time to do ILS to ILS with dual/triple autopilots afterwards.

You'll learn a lot more, have more fun and always look back upon "the good 'ol days" with fondness. Plus you'll have that ATPL and won't need PICUS.
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#18 Post by Mône » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:14 pm

mbav8r wrote:
Mône wrote:About the PICUS program I'd like to advise not to bank on it. To log PICUS you have to be flying with a LTC; right now most LTCs are flying full line indoc lines, have been for the last 6 months+ and most likely will be for the foreseeable future. And if you are lucky enough to land a pairing with an LTC you will likely be displaced so a line indoc candidate can finish his training. So right now the program is a bit of a joke...
I'm going to refrain from saying what I'm really thinking, suffice to say that comes across as self entitled, to make use of the program requires resources that are stretched thin and perhaps the program is a joke. As in the joke's on us, to think a college grad who was given an airline job out of school would be grateful to have that job and skip the "fun" of bush flying! Go rent a 152 and do some circuits, you'll be at AC in no time!
Perhaps I should have added that I am an LTC and my opinion on the PICUS program is from this side of the fence. Recent candidates have been asking me about the program and the only good answer I could come up with is don't bank on it and go rent if you don't want to miss out on an upgrade.
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#19 Post by 7507 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:58 pm

KenoraPilot wrote:
Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:51 pm
LTC and SIM guys are working their bag's off, (and will be for the next forever) I wouldn't expect to be able to lock down any LTC guys for PICUS and if you do you're lucky lucky! I have some friendly struggling for those last PIC hours at Jazz and they are renting 150's/172's to crush those last hours.

Pardon me about my enquiry but what do you mean they're renting cessna 150 s to crush those last hours, how many hours do they have to fill and fill what ?
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