Hey Mod's

WS739 · Post by **WS739** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:06 am

Hey guys and gals! I gotta say because you have let dousche bags like blastor and rebel terorize every forum you have lost alot fo respected users! Westjet forum used to be good now its just some fuckin idiot with no life bashing Westjet like theres no tomorrow!

Word of advice im not coming back to this forum and alot of others aswell if you dont do something about those idiots who cant act respectful!

Just look the first 5 posts are Blastors rubish!!

Bringing AvCanada down the shitter======and you only have yourselves to blame!

Ws739

Flightlevels · Post by **Flightlevels** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:29 am

He's harmless...trust me. Just ignore him...there is deeper issues if he can't get over flying to YEG for a price he didn't agree with He doesn't work for the competition/or fail the interview here, and he likes to come across as a big traveller but looking at his PNR he is niether. All he really does is post articles and give his

face...lol with really no knowledge of what stock really means to a company or it's fundamentals of assets vs debt. Yes, I agree the moderators do something next nothing with no discretion on many topics. Nature of the beast around this forum...there are better ones... too bad because there is some good news/info posted here from time to time and that's why I swing by. They could make it alot better.

bandaid · Post by **bandaid** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:39 am

Well I'm not in any way trying to support what Blastor has to say. I am, however, a big fan of free speach. Try and get away with the language that you have used in your little rant on your Westjet company forum and then ask yourself where you would be working tomorrow?

Personally, I don't open his posts because it is going to be a whole lot of the same as his last post or for that matter his first post.
Were you there when they were taking shots at Skywards operations, Bear, AC......
Don't take it so personally.

WJ700 · Post by **WJ700** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:07 am

bandaid wrote:Well I'm not in any way trying to support what Blastor has to say. I am, however, a big fan of free speach. Try and get away with the language that you have used in your little rant on your Westjet company forum and then ask yourself where you would be working tomorrow?

Personally, I don't open his posts because it is going to be a whole lot of the same as his last post or for that matter his first post.
Were you there when they were taking shots at Skywards operations, Bear, AC......
Don't take it so personally.

I can say anything I want in the WestJet forum, or head office, and still be working there. It's an employees company with an open door 24/7. I've used this service for very critical input and you know what? I'm still employed.

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:28 am

Exactly. You can say anything you want, and so can he. I also find his posts tedious and annoying, so I just don't open 'em.

It's the price of free speech unfortunately.

bandaid · Post by **bandaid** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:30 am

Okay so I guess in your industry it is okay. I know that if I were to go onto my Union forum or my company forum and drop the f bomb, I would be locked out. There are ways to ask for the same without resorting to the kind of language that was directed at us. Have any of you contacted the email link below to get the webmasters spin on your complaints or is trying to dress down the moderators more your style (we do volunteer for this).
One of my family members used to work for Westjet and has nothing but great things to say about the experience. I have flown Westjet many times and always had a good flight and good time, I guess what I am trying to say is that I would expect more from you guys/gals.
I would ask that you contact the email address below and we will do what is recommended by the owner of this website.

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:26 pm

The fact of the matter is nobody likes to get bashed unfairly. Comments from one or two people on this forum and other (just have a peak at what goes on the AC/Jazz forum) are totally uncalled for and are blatenly confrontational. However, I do have some advise for WJers, get used to it. The bigger and better you get, the more Blastores come out of the woodwork. Your professionalism and dignity will be under constant scrutiny. I know. I work for that big red bad company that has done nothing for this country. Take it with a grain of salt and ask them to elaborate. I bet they can't make too much sense.

Flightlevels · Post by **Flightlevels** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:34 pm

I don't think for a second that it is due to bashing and that wj'ers can't take critisism. In fact it improves things around here. I for one have good thick skin...I got when I worked at AC.

advise not needed but thanks anyway. Remember WJ has only been around for 10 yrs this spring....that's only 10yrs worth of mud being thrown at us!...lol here's to another 10! then I can retire without going to Ryan air etc!! lol

CanadaEH · Post by **CanadaEH** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:49 pm

Well I'm not in any way trying to support what Blastor has to say. I am, however, a big fan of free speach. Try and get away with the language that you have used in your little rant on your Westjet company forum and then ask yourself where you would be working tomorrow?

Personally, I don't open his posts because it is going to be a whole lot of the same as his last post or for that matter his first post.
Were you there when they were taking shots at Skywards operations, Bear, AC......
Don't take it so personally.

I like your style of moderation: *ignore*. What the hell is that? Other people actually do read and respond in this forum and many chose not to ignore. Your title is that of 'moderator' and yet you turn a blind eye to anything you don't like? What a crock. I too am a fan of free speach and yet I can do so without having to underline, bold and italicize an often old article. People here simply want a forum free of trolls. Take a look at this and decide for yourself:

A TROLL is one who enjoys getting a lot of reaction.
A person who feels powerful by causing reaction, regardless of the kind of reaction.
One who isn't able, or doesn't want, to feel any empathy towards those who's reactions he's seeking.
A "power seeker" who probably has little or no "power" of the kind he craves in real life.
His posts display a callous disregard for the humans behind the text he reads.

bandaid · Post by **bandaid** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:42 pm

I like your style of moderation: *ignore*. What the hell is that? Other people actually do read and respond in this forum and many chose not to ignore. Your title is that of 'moderator' and yet you turn a blind eye to anything you don't like? What a crock. I too am a fan of free speach and yet I can do so without having to underline, bold and italicize an often old article. People here simply want a forum free of trolls. Take a look at this and decide for yourself:

So there you have it. I don't really read Blastors posts for that reason. He post articles then does all of the above to get your attention. It works for him because everytime he passes gas you come out of the woodwork to complain about the smell. Again, what he posts is most often cut and paste from some article that he has come upon, now I guess you would have us moderate the press as well.
I did say that I don't open his posts and that is not intirely true, I do have a quick peruse of all the posts to make sure everyone is playing nice in the sandbox. I am here often, I read most everything and have taken to task a few on here.

Go Guns · Post by **Go Guns** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:02 pm

CanadaEH wrote: PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:01 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Finally, CanJet states that since commencing its Hamilton scheduled service on April 19, 2004, the weekly load factors have been low even during the peak summer period. Also, CanJet experienced financial loss during the past 12 months and future bookings indicate a continued losing operation this summer. It is thus imperative that CanJet be in a position to discontinue the Hamilton scheduled service with a minimum of delay.

CanadaEH wrote: Sure, and next week's "jetsgo incident of the week" article will be the same old song and dance too.

I know nothing about Jetsgo's maintenance or reliability aside from the things I read in the paper. Given the rise in reported incidents, I'd say where there's smoke, there's fire. I'd hate to see the next article reading "Jetsgo crashes..."

CanadaEH wrote: Jetsgo got burned because not only was there a storm (Air Canada and Westjet handled it fine) but because of inexperience, unreliable aircraft (6 a/c went mechanical that day.. didn't hear that in the papers did you?), lack of communication, and poor planning. All of this can be attributed to growing too fast.

Who's the Crook now?

CanadaEH, I'm no big fan of Blastors either, but like many before me have said, if you don't like it, don't read it. And for the love of God, why even bother replying. By getting involved in the constant bickering, you put yourself on the same level. Let it go....

WS739 · Post by **WS739** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:51 pm

WOW seems the role of moderator is usless then!

Thanks i dont need the advice, if you cant control idiots like Blastor in a national forum then thats pretty lame!

Dont worry im not wasting my time on this forum anymore! It used to be good but now isnt more then a pissing contest between Westjetters and Blastor in our Own forum!

Later
Ws739

WS739 · Post by **WS739** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:53 pm

Go Guns you must of had some free time on your hands eh!

yikes!

Ws739

Go Guns · Post by **Go Guns** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:22 pm

It used to be good but now isnt more then a pissing contest between Westjetters and Blastor in our Own forum!

Hey Man, a pissing contest takes two, that's all I'm saying.

Go Guns you must of had some free time on your hands eh!

yikes!

Well, I don't waste my time on stupid arguements.........much....anymore...

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:35 pm

Flightlevels wrote:I don't think for a second that it is due to bashing and that wj'ers can't take critisism. In fact it improves things around here. etc!! lol

WS739 wrote:
"Dont worry im not wasting my time on this forum anymore! It used to be good but now isnt more then a pissing contest between Westjetters and Blastor in our Own forum! "

Fltlevels. So much for your theory. Blastor must be grinning from ear to ear. Pathetic.

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:40 pm

WS739:

So freedom of speech only applies to those people you agree with?

It's a tough world, my delicate little desert flower. I am sorry the bad (and rather boring) man made you cry with his nasty italics and bold faced quotes. I get that some power compels you to open his posts despite knowing exactly what's going to be in them. And now you feel you must leave rather than face some guy who obviously has 'issues'. I mean really, Ray Charles could see that Blastor is a few beers short of a case, and Ray has been dead for how long?

Suck it up, buttercup. Don't let Blastor think he's won.

Go Guns · Post by **Go Guns** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:17 pm

Suck it up, buttercup.

sweet

bandaid · Post by **bandaid** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:42 pm

Hey Sully,
That is sort of what I wanted to say but was trying (in vain) to be a little more diplomatic.

Ray Charles will be rolling in his grave.

Flightlevels · Post by **Flightlevels** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:48 pm

tonysoprano wrote:
Flightlevels wrote:I don't think for a second that it is due to bashing and that wj'ers can't take critisism. In fact it improves things around here. etc!! lol
WS739 wrote:
"Dont worry im not wasting my time on this forum anymore! It used to be good but now isnt more then a pissing contest between Westjetters and Blastor in our Own forum! "

Fltlevels. So much for your theory. Blastor must be grinning from ear to ear. Pathetic.

sorry buddy myself and alot of others are still here...bash or not to bash..stir stir stir...lol. this whole topic is a waste of bandwith..moderators are getting suckered in imho...don't let it, I have heard of how the process works and in fact a birdie told me how blastor has been slapped on the wrist a couple of times already for some topics. I'm sure he isn't the only one. process works abiet not to the level some would like to see around here.myself included, it has never been a pleasent sandbox for the years I have visited here,non member included. maybe a few posting guidlines should be revisited westjet topic or not to make it a more respectable place or maybe not...lol jmho

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:15 pm

I know on the pprune forum you can have a private forum for members only. It would keep the unwanted out. Is it possible to do that here? Threads would only be made by WJers and others who are welcome and you can always recind a member.

Ryan Coke · Post by **Ryan Coke** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:55 pm

Moderation should certainly be used conservatively, and I am happy to have dissenting opinions around.

But on the highest quality board I frequent, the line is drawn at people who are doing nothing but attempting to cause havoc. They are not there to debate, or argue differing opinions, only to inflame and bring the level of actual discussion to a standstill. This is what I would consider a troll, and certainly Blastor seems to fit this like a glove. You both have admitted you agree that his posts are a waste of time, that you choose to ignore them, and from that I infer that you don't believe he brings anything of value to this board.

As much as I am comfortable ignoring him as well, and won't make empty threats of never visiting this site again because of the complete lack of quality control from the moderating team, I do believe that you would have more people getting more value from this website and getting greater hits, if you would make some attempt to keep the level of discussion at a slightly higher level than a mindless idiot who wishes to do nothing more than p!ss people off.

Ultimately you are at the mercy of the people who own/run the site, and what they expect from it from a content perspective. However I think we would all be well served if we ensured that anyone who has a dissenting voice was required to have a certain level of reasoning and purpose, beyond the infantile pot stirring of Blastor. And if you can't see the difference that most of us can, then this site deserves the stunted traffic that it will get.

All IMHO, of course.

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:09 pm

Go Guns you must of had some free time on your hands eh!

yikes!

Ws739

You talk of lame-ass posts that waste peoples time. (most of mine are

)

I thought you were leaving?

B612 · Post by **B612** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:58 am

This thread is sad. Don't like Blastor? Don't read or respond. The Mod's are doing exactly what they should. Perhaps the real issue is some can't deal with WJ's fall from grace these days. Don't yell at Rebel, yell at whoever told you it was OK to get stocks and profit shares instead of a good contract. Or call your Mom and get a hug. The moderators do a good job, as is. Don't drag them through the mud.

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:03 am

Ryan Coke wrote:Moderation should certainly be used conservatively, and I am happy to have dissenting opinions around.

But on the highest quality board I frequent, the line is drawn at people who are doing nothing but attempting to cause havoc. They are not there to debate, or argue differing opinions, only to inflame and bring the level of actual discussion to a standstill. This is what I would consider a troll, and certainly Blastor seems to fit this like a glove. You both have admitted you agree that his posts are a waste of time, that you choose to ignore them, and from that I infer that you don't believe he brings anything of value to this board...

...Ultimately you are at the mercy of the people who own/run the site, and what they expect from it from a content perspective. However I think we would all be well served if we ensured that anyone who has a dissenting voice was required to have a certain level of reasoning and purpose, beyond the infantile pot stirring of Blastor. And if you can't see the difference that most of us can, then this site deserves the stunted traffic that it will get.

All IMHO, of course.

Your post is quite well-written and thoughtful. Thank you for that.

Here's the thing I am struggling with. Once you start deciding what content is acceptable, it becomes a slippery slope. I could argue that hazatude's posts are entirely pointless, or that Cat Driver's posts only serve to hurt the feelings of the good people at TC, or that mine are essentially masturbatory (I write for myself but if others want to watch, that's fine). How about the people who only post 1 or 2 lines? Or the people who just want to spread the latest rumor/filth/lies they have heard at the hangar?

I am entirely uncomfortable with the idea that I (as a mod) would decide what posts are worthy of being put up on the AvCanada forum, and so should you be. I mean really - who the hell am I? Just some random guy whose agenda may be entirely different from your own. If I had my way, the only posts on here would be to do with video games, computer hacking and pornography. And maybe occasional "The craziest thing I ever did in an airplane" posts. Maybe

Yeah, we do have to draw the line somewhere, and currently we draw the line at personal attacks and the promotion of hatred. That gives the 99.9% of our fine members enough freedom to express themselves and that has always kinda been the point of this site.

I understand what you are saying, and I agree that Blastor's WJ posts are generally retarded. But that's precisely why I'm defending his priviledge to post here - his are the outer limits of what is acceptable, and I'm not comfortable encroaching on it lest it diminish all of our freedoms to write about what's important to us in aviation.

I also know that this will not change your mind, and I am genuinely sorry for the discomfort that he is causing. If you honestly feel it is wrecking your AvCanada experience, then please PM AvCanada himself and let him know. He's the boss, and if he decides to take some sort of action that's his perogative and I will fully support it. But I cannot in good conscience ask him to ban someone simply because they are like ants at a picnic.

I hope you take this in the way I intend - it's a tough situation and just because I am not willing to take action does NOT mean I don't care. I have been a member of this forum for years and years now, since the original format and I view the board as almost like having an unruly child - a lot of work and frustration, but still endlessly entertaining and rewarding.

Regards,
Sully

//edited cause I can't spell *thoughtful* or *entertaining* this early in the morning :p

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:06 am

It seems to me that all Blastor does is post articles written by others. So why is he resented for his opinions? In reality he is posting someone elses.

If you don't like whats written in the papers, complain to them. Most of it is crap with no journalistic integrity anywayl. Anything a financial advisor says, do the opposite, they don't their ass from their elbow.

Blastor is merely the messenger, not the author and quite frankly what comes around goes around. Just go back to the Jetsgo forum and see who was dishing it out there.