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Flapsforty · Post by **Flapsforty** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:56 am

Why should the CSA's be the only people who get parking spots at the airport? When I go STBY I have to take cab to the airport from my house. It works both ways. If you want those privilages become a pilot. There's not much left of this profession, it's becomming a job, can we keep a few little perks, please, does anyone mind???

Cheers

lawndart · Post by **lawndart** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:02 pm

I think the jumpseat idea is centered around folks who commute to work. No disrespect intended for those in non-flying positions, but I would bet that very few CSA's commute to Calgary from Toronto or even Vancouver to work the check-in counter.

Most airlines in the states have reciprocal jumpseat agreements. It makes commuting to work much easier (and less stressful) if you have essentially every flight from point A to B available to you. I think it is a great idea, and as a pilot group we should get on the ball and do it. Regardless if you are red team, blue team, teal team or whatever.

CanadaEH · Post by **CanadaEH** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:20 pm

Why should the CSA's be the only people who get parking spots at the airport? When I go STBY I have to take cab to the airport from my house. It works both ways. If you want those privilages become a pilot. There's not much left of this profession, it's becomming a job, can we keep a few little perks, please, does anyone mind???

Which city are you talking about?

I think that if you are a pilot or FA commuting from YVR to YYC, for example, you need to either pay for your own parking pass or park in the short/long-term parking lot like Joe Public. I personally disagree with that, I think that commuters should have a place to park on the company dime.

I think the jumpseat idea is centered around folks who commute to work. No disrespect intended for those in non-flying positions, but I would bet that very few CSA's commute to Calgary from Toronto or even Vancouver to work the check-in counter.

Most airlines in the states have reciprocal jumpseat agreements. It makes commuting to work much easier (and less stressful) if you have essentially every flight from point A to B available to you. I think it is a great idea, and as a pilot group we should get on the ball and do it. Regardless if you are red team, blue team, teal team or whatever.

I see your point-of-view, lawndart. However, for such a reciprocal agreement to be accepted by Westjet employees I believe reciprocal pilots would have to have a lower priority than the employees themselves.

Flapsforty · Post by **Flapsforty** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:32 pm

Canada EH,

I'm talking about YYC. Commuters is a whole different mess, as we don't have commuters, right? The other issue is that the Captain has the last word on the jumpseat. It is a privilage for any employee to ride there, although it is seldom refused to any employee. If someone were to try and take that last word away from us I'm sure it would disappear from the landscape a no one would get to ride there. I don't think any of us want to go down that road, ask ACPA and CALPA.

Cheers

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:44 pm

Canadaeh.

CanadaEH wrote:No disrespect to you pilots out there but why should you be the only group to get special jumpseat privilages, espcially on other airlines? If I were flying YVR-YYC on Westjet and the plane was full, I'd assume that as an employee I'd be able to sit jump if the captain was ok with it. I'd be very angry if I was told "no" because an Air Canada pilot was sitting there..... for FREE.

You probably would get priority. The way it works is the travelling pilot does not actually get the j/s but a seat in the back if there is one available. On the list of priorities, he would be below you. At AC, we have an actual list of priorities for airline employees and pilots of other airlines using the jumpseat agreement are at the very bottom of the list. Still it usually works well for everyone involved.

ivanhoe · Post by **ivanhoe** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:48 pm

canadaeh

I don't think you have a lot to worry about. It would be a cold day in hell when an employee of ANY other airline sat in the J/S before a WestJet employee. I would expect the very same treatment from A/C.
We all have to take care of our own first.

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:27 pm

There ya go. Now I understand.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:50 pm

Canada Eh

First off, I love the Avatar.

Secondly, the Captain will always have the final say on who sits in his jumpseat. It has historically been a professional courtesy among professional pilots to exchange jumpseat privileges. Having another set of trained eyes was also considered to enhance safety.

This seat has never been considered a "Revenue seat" and therefore any pilot occupying it was not required to pay for it. In the U.S you had to hold an FAA licence to sit there which eliminated everyone but a pilot.

Anyone who is invited to be there should consider it a privelege but here in Canada, certain groups think it is their right and I am not talking about pilots.

No disrespect to you pilots out there but why should you be the only group to get special jumpseat privilages

In a nutshell, because the seat is in our office.

MS737 · Post by **MS737** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:35 pm

I must say, that this is the most informative posting I've read in months.
A nice change to all the bashing. I like the idea of helping a fellow pilot out, when they need to get from A to B. At WestJet, i guess the only way to make sure you make the flight, on standby, is to show up early. I have worked there for just over two years and have moved back to S'toon to take advantage of a cheaper mortgage, and access to many more lakes to fish. Haven't had any problem making any flights yet I don't think we will ever give any employee group more seniority on the whole jumpseat thing here though.