• Any updates on training?

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:46 pm**

atcguy98 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:28 am
So you've gone through the entire process already and are getting the interview now? I'm still waiting on an in-person test invite at YYZ since doing the online test, I think that's what they mean by 2022 or 2023, us brand new hires.

Yeah, they left me hanging back in Apr 2020. I passed the in-person aptitude tests and was waiting for an interview slot.

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:51 pm**

guanin2999 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:46 pm Yeah, they left me hanging back in Apr 2020. I passed the in-person aptitude tests and was waiting for an interview slot.

I am in the same position that you were, I did the in person test in YYZ in February 2020, was told I passed, then heard nothing. Your post gives me hope!

Posted: **Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:17 am**

737max wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:51 pm
guanin2999 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:46 pm Yeah, they left me hanging back in Apr 2020. I passed the in-person aptitude tests and was waiting for an interview slot.
I am in the same position that you were, I did the in person test in YYZ in February 2020, was told I passed, then heard nothing. Your post gives me hope!

Add me to the list! Passed Apr 2020 in YYZ. Interview pending..

Posted: **Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:05 pm**

Just to temper the expectations, especially for people in Toronto, Toronto FIR appears to be somewhat behind a few FIRs in resuming training.

Still there are a lot of trainees (all generic IFR trainees, and some specialty + OJT trainees) who are yet to be recalled. This was true as of last week, not sure if that's changed since then. Once that recall list is clear, people still in recruitment can expect to hear about next steps.

Logically, that is how it should be. But who knows?! I don't have access to internal nav canada information.

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:42 pm**

JUST GOT VFR OFFER FOR APRIL IN YEG!!!!!!!!!

super nervous as the pandemic has really thrown a wrench in our finances, but i'll be damned if I don't make this work, finally the dream shot!!

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:00 pm**

outflying8 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:42 pm JUST GOT VFR OFFER FOR APRIL IN YEG!!!!!!!!!

super nervous as the pandemic has really thrown a wrench in our finances, but i'll be damned if I don't make this work, finally the dream shot!!

Congrats! I remember the excitement of receiving my VFR offer years ago. Get ready for one or two of the busiest years of your life!

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:24 pm**

Generic IFR offers have gone out in the YVR region.

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:44 am**

DHC-1 Jockey wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:00 pm
outflying8 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:42 pm JUST GOT VFR OFFER FOR APRIL IN YEG!!!!!!!!!

super nervous as the pandemic has really thrown a wrench in our finances, but i'll be damned if I don't make this work, finally the dream shot!!
Congrats! I remember the excitement of receiving my VFR offer years ago. Get ready for one or two of the busiest years of your life!

Thank you! beyond excited!!!

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:51 am**

TheGooseIsLoose wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:24 pm Generic IFR offers have gone out in the YVR region.

Is this for new hires? or generic trainees being recalled?

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:39 am**

aircanada333 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:51 am
TheGooseIsLoose wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:24 pm Generic IFR offers have gone out in the YVR region.
Is this for new hires? or generic trainees being recalled?

Recalls.

However, the post directly above indicates that even new hire people in YEG are getting called.

There is lots of inconsistency across different FIRs.

For example: Toronto FIR hasn't even recalled all specialty and OJT trainees, Moncton and Vancouver have now recalled generic trainees, and then Edmonton has offered a seat to people who were eligible for, but never actually a NAV employee pre-covid.

NAV Canada recruitment is extremely vague in their responses when you contact them (sometimes, they won't even read your email and send a generic response), and add the inconsistency to the mix and now you have a company who really doesn't know how to treat the people who committed so much time to the company and even paused life decisions while training.

It is not the management's fault that covid happened, it is not their fault that the not-for-profit structure made it difficult to handle tough times, but the least they could've done is handle this better.

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:32 am**

atcthrowawayyy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:39 am
NAV Canada recruitment is extremely vague in their responses when you contact them (sometimes, they won't even read your email and send a generic response), and add the inconsistency to the mix and now you have a company who really doesn't know how to treat the people who committed so much time to the company and even paused life decisions while training.

It is not the management's fault that covid happened, it is not their fault that the not-for-profit structure made it difficult to handle tough times, but the least they could've done is handle this better.

I don’t understand why some applicants feel like NAV owes anyone an explanation as to how they run their recruiting. I’ve applied to many jobs in the past and many don’t even bother letting you know if you failed to make it onto the next step, so the fact NAV communicates (even with vague answers) is already very kind. It has, and always will be, a waiting game and a test of patience. If you don’t feel that the company is treating you - as an applicant - well, why would you want to work for a company like that? Until you’re a licensed controller, the company owes you nothing. As we’ve seen recently, even employees (trainees) could be laid off.

And unless we go back to the centralized training model with trainees being sent all over the country after generic training, there won’t be consistency in how people are getting called. I think you fail to understand that different FIRs have different needs. NAV definitely could’ve handled the pandemic better in many ways, but pausing recruitment was not a mistake. The only mistake was pausing training for too long without much regard for needs and training capacity down the line.

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:45 pm**

I received an invite yesterday for an enroute IFR course in YEG starting March. Woohoo!

I was previously supposed to start a course there in 2020, but that course was canceled before it began.

Posted: **Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:09 pm**

Has anyone heard of a trainee that wasn't recalled while others in their class were?

Posted: **Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:55 pm**

FSS invites for YEG, March 2022 are going out. (I politely declined mine today)

Posted: **Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:09 pm**

Well that is good news, thanks for the update, I did not expect FSS to begin so soon. I am in YWG FIR so haven't heard anything yet but my profile still indicates 'interview' so I'm hopeful I may receive an offer.

Why did you decline, if you don't mind me asking? Job security concerns, life changes, no longer interested, not what you were aiming for? I've been wondering about the security of the job to be honest. This pandemic has shaken up many industries. I think I'd still accept an offer though.

Posted: **Fri Dec 24, 2021 9:37 am**

Nekton wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:09 pm Why did you decline, if you don't mind me asking? Job security concerns, life changes, no longer interested, not what you were aiming for? I've been wondering about the security of the job to be honest. This pandemic has shaken up many industries. I think I'd still accept an offer though.

Fair questions - I declined because of a) life changes (mostly) and b) potential locations of FSS stations being appropriate for my family (which links to a). My preference from the get-go was IFR, but I would accept a VFR offer as well. I don't think I can comment on the security of the job, but can say the aviation industry is certainly volatile.

Posted: **Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:50 am**

Thanks, I had similar aspirations/concerns but ultimately figure I can make it work if I get the offer, so just a waiting game at this point. Good luck with whatever comes your way.

Posted: **Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:26 am**

Well, I may get to make the decision soon, just got an invite to interview in the new year. I have found some good tips on interviewing with Nav Canada on this forum but if anyone has any more, and specifically for FSS, I'd appreciate hearing them.

Posted: **Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:12 pm**

Does anyone have any updates on YQX training? On my workday page I current have “interview” status on one application and “assessment” on another. My interview was supposed to take place in March 2020, so I’m assuming they will probably be rescheduling this set of interviews to March 2022. Haven’t heard anything yet though.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:26 pm**

Nekton wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:26 am Well, I may get to make the decision soon, just got an invite to interview in the new year. I have found some good tips on interviewing with Nav Canada on this forum but if anyone has any more, and specifically for FSS, I'd appreciate hearing them.

Hey so you obviously passed the test? Mind if i ask you a few questions about them? I am really hoping for an invite in the next few months and the tests have me low key worried haha.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:47 pm**

I will try but there isn't much I can tell you because before the testing you are required to sign a non-disclosure agreement to not divulge specifics, and I respect that so I won't. Also my testing happened in March 2020 and honestly I have forgotten a lot about the tests themselves. You can find some good info by searching this forum and the internet for FEAST testing. I prepared by doing that and found some helpful posts here and some good prep tests online. Also, during my searching I found many references to a 2 day testing bootcamp that included interviews, but mine was one day, testing only and no interview. It was a full day, 8 hours split up by an hour for lunch and a short coffee break during the morning and afternoon halves. I don't know if the testing is different from one FIR to another but I believe I recall reading somewhere that it is an evolving process so there may be differences depending on where and when you do it.

Communications with the person organizing everything were pleasant, and directions on how to get to the YWG center and how to enter were straight forward and easy to follow. You'll find lots of comments about making sure you are rested and clear of mind and I would say that is good advice. I arrived the day before, had a good dinner and got a good sleep, and planned my return for the day after the testing so that I didn't feel rushed. If you have the luxury of time to do that I recommend it.

Hopefully this is helpful.

Posted: **Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:50 pm**

Nekton wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:47 pm I will try but there isn't much I can tell you because before the testing you are required to sign a non-disclosure agreement to not divulge specifics, and I respect that so I won't. Also my testing happened in March 2020 and honestly I have forgotten a lot about the tests themselves. You can find some good info by searching this forum and the internet for FEAST testing. I prepared by doing that and found some helpful posts here and some good prep tests online. Also, during my searching I found many references to a 2 day testing bootcamp that included interviews, but mine was one day, testing only and no interview. It was a full day, 8 hours split up by an hour for lunch and a short coffee break during the morning and afternoon halves. I don't know if the testing is different from one FIR to another but I believe I recall reading somewhere that it is an evolving process so there may be differences depending on where and when you do it.

Communications with the person organizing everything were pleasant, and directions on how to get to the YWG center and how to enter were straight forward and easy to follow. You'll find lots of comments about making sure you are rested and clear of mind and I would say that is good advice. I arrived the day before, had a good dinner and got a good sleep, and planned my return for the day after the testing so that I didn't feel rushed. If you have the luxury of time to do that I recommend it.

Hopefully this is helpful.

yeah it was thanks alot! So basiclly find sample courses/tests online and do them to prepare. Would you say the test was easyish or hard?

Posted: **Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:59 pm**

There were many tests and I found all but two pretty easy. I don't think I can say anything about those two without breaching confidence. I think the difficulty for most people is not the actual skills being tested but the length of time you have to maintain focus. Consider the job you are applying for and how important it would be to maintain complete focus for extended periods of time, without making any significant errors.

As I have mentioned, and as you will find in other posts, probably the best advice is to go in well rested and with a clear mind. If you are tired or distracted by something else going on in life, or by your (or someone else's) expectations and hopes, then I think it will impact your performance far more than whether you have practiced ahead of time. Much like the job in real life I suspect. Good luck.

Posted: **Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:08 pm**

I just saw a post from NavCanada on LinkedIn today that "NAV CANADA is #hiring air traffic controllers and flight service specialists!"

I found this strange given that from what I seem to read here, they are only recalling previous trainees/individuals already going through the hiring process, rather than ab-initio recruits. I've been waiting on any news since September 2020 when I did my online test (located at YYZ), so if they are indeed restarting ab-initio hiring that would be awesome.

Posted: **Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:11 pm**

atcguy98 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:08 pm I just saw a post from NavCanada on LinkedIn today that "NAV CANADA is #hiring air traffic controllers and flight service specialists!"

I found this strange given that from what I seem to read here, they are only recalling previous trainees/individuals already going through the hiring process, rather than ab-initio recruits. I've been waiting on any news since September 2020 when I did my online test (located at YYZ), so if they are indeed restarting ab-initio hiring that would be awesome.

If I’m not mistaken, the job ad was never taken down during the pandemic. Every month, I got a LinkedIn update that they’re hiring ATC and FSS.

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