Carbon tax announced December 2020

[tsgarp]

Getting back to climate change/carbon tax:

"Here is Dr. Patrick Moore's description of his unique thesis as presented in "Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom"."

Greenpeace offers a rebuttal (with references) to some of this gentleman’s claims.

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/gre ... on-patric/

Greenpeace, ha! Those idiots are just as stoned as our sock boy PM.

[Ruddervator]

Getting back to climate change/carbon tax:

"Here is Dr. Patrick Moore's description of his unique thesis as presented in "Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom"."

Greenpeace offers a rebuttal (with references) to some of this gentleman’s claims.

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/gre ... on-patric/

It was a good try, Rockie. Too bad this place is a Conservative echo chamber. Just like COVID, this forum will insist that climate change doesn't exist, and that our government is either evil or inept for attempting to fight it.

Getting in their faces about it won't fix it, sadly. Showing them contrary facts, or antagonizing them will only make them more deeply entrenched in their beliefs.

They will only change their mind if they come to the decision themselves. The way people change their minds is actually a lot like the 5 stages of grief. Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and finally acceptance. They cannot be pushed or rushed through this process. It can only happen with time.

[Rockie]

Too bad this place is a Conservative echo chamber. Just like COVID, this forum will insist that climate change doesn't exist, and that our government is either evil or inept for attempting to fight it.

Getting in their faces about it won't fix it, sadly. Showing them contrary facts, or antagonizing them will only make them more deeply entrenched in their beliefs.

They will only change their mind if they come to the decision themselves. The way people change their minds is actually a lot like the 5 stages of grief. Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and finally acceptance. They cannot be pushed or rushed through this process. It can only happen with time.

Yes, I know all that and agree completely. However somebody has to get in their face if for no other reason than to let them know someone will get in their face. A lot more people need to.

[Mach1]

Too bad this place is a Conservative echo chamber. Just like COVID, this forum will insist that climate change doesn't exist, and that our government is either evil or inept for attempting to fight it.

Getting in their faces about it won't fix it, sadly. Showing them contrary facts, or antagonizing them will only make them more deeply entrenched in their beliefs.

They will only change their mind if they come to the decision themselves. The way people change their minds is actually a lot like the 5 stages of grief. Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and finally acceptance. They cannot be pushed or rushed through this process. It can only happen with time.

If you wish to continue to support the most corrupt leadership this country has every seen, I guess that's your choice. Just realize that the results that will inevitably occur are also your responsibility because you supported this current leadership (and I'm using the word leadership very loosely here).

[Dh8Classic]

Getting back to climate change/carbon tax:

"Here is Dr. Patrick Moore's description of his unique thesis as presented in "Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom"."

Greenpeace offers a rebuttal (with references) to some of this gentleman’s claims.

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/gre ... on-patric/

Guess what ladies and gentlemen, Patrick Moore co-founded Greenpeace. Then they became taken over by left wing political activists using environmentalism and lies to further their agenda. Now he exposes their(and Rockie's lies). Order the book he wrote and decide for yourself. Oh, by the way, he doesn't swear at you in print the way Rockie does. What does that alone tell you. This guy ain't no AvCanada anonymous poster, he knows what he is talking about.

https://www.google.ca/search?sxsrf=ALeK ... CA0&uact=5

"Dr. Patrick Moore has been a leader in the international environmental field for over 40 years. He is a policy advisor to The Heartland Institute.

Dr. Moore is a co-founder of Greenpeace and served for nine years as President of Greenpeace Canada and seven years as a Director of Greenpeace International. As the leader of many campaigns Dr. Moore was a driving force shaping policy and direction for 15 years while Greenpeace became the world's largest environmental activist organization.

In recent years, Dr. Moore has been focused on the promotion of sustainability and consensus building among competing concerns. He was a member of British Columbia government-appointed Round Table on the Environment and Economy from 1990 - 1994. In 1990, Dr. Moore founded and chaired the BC Carbon Project, a group that worked to develop a common understanding of climate change.

Dr. Moore served for four years as Vice President, Environment for Waterfurnace International, a manufacturer of geothermal heat pumps for residential heating and cooling with renewable earth energy. He also served as Vice-President, Industry and Government Affairs for NextEnergy Geothermal, the largest distributor of geothermal systems in Canada.

As Chair of the Sustainable Forestry Committee of the Forest Alliance of BC from 1991 - 2002, he led the process of developing the "Principles of Sustainable Forestry" which were adopted by a majority of the industry.

In 2010, Dr. Moore published Trees are the Answer, a photo-book that provides a new insight into how forests work and how they can play a powerful role in solving many of our current environmental problems. In 2013 he published Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout – The Making of a Sensible Environmentalist, which documents his 15 years with Greenpeace and outlines his vision for a sustainable future.

From 2000-2012 he served as Chair and Chief Scientist of Greenspirit Strategies, a consultancy focusing on environmental policy and communications in forestry, agriculture, fisheries and aquaculture, mining, biodiversity, energy and climate change.

From 2006-2012 he served as co-Chair of the Clean and Safe Energy Coalition, a US-based advocacy mission to build public support for more nuclear energy plants to provide electricity.

In 2013 Dr. Moore, with his brother Michael and other family members, founded the Allow Golden Rice Society, a non-profit organization dedicated to seeing Golden Rice approved for commercial agriculture. 250 million children, mainly in the tropical countries, are deficient in vitamin A and as a result 2 million die each year. The Allow Golden Rice Now! Campaign demands that Greenpeace and their allies discontinue their campaign of opposition to Golden Rice, which could eliminate vitamin A deficiency if cultivated and consumed.

In 2014 Dr. Moore was appointed Chair of Environmental Studies at the Frontier Centre for Public Policy. Dr. Moore is an independent ecologist/environmentalist with Ecosense Environmental Inc. and a policy advisor on climate and energy at The Heartland Institute."

[Rockie]

Guess what ladies and gentlemen, Patrick Moore co-founded Greenpeace.

Not according to Greenpeace.

[Ruddervator]

Too bad this place is a Conservative echo chamber. Just like COVID, this forum will insist that climate change doesn't exist, and that our government is either evil or inept for attempting to fight it.

Getting in their faces about it won't fix it, sadly. Showing them contrary facts, or antagonizing them will only make them more deeply entrenched in their beliefs.

They will only change their mind if they come to the decision themselves. The way people change their minds is actually a lot like the 5 stages of grief. Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and finally acceptance. They cannot be pushed or rushed through this process. It can only happen with time.

If you wish to continue to support the most corrupt leadership this country has every seen, I guess that's your choice. Just realize that the results that will inevitably occur are also your responsibility because you supported this current leadership (and I'm using the word leadership very loosely here).

Just because I oppose the Conservatives doesn't mean I support Trudeau. There are other options, but given the general sentiment of this forum I will keep my views to myself.

[Dh8Classic]

Guess what ladies and gentlemen, Patrick Moore co-founded Greenpeace.

Not according to Greenpeace.

Unfortunately, Greenpeace in its present form cannot be trusted to tell the truth, so I wouldn't rely on present day political activists. According to this link:

"Frank Zelko is probably the most objective scholar to study the history of Greenpeace. See his Ph.D. Dissertation, Make it a Green Peace: The History of an International Environmental Organization,” (University of Kansas, 2003).

Zelko says unequivocally: “Unlike Friends of the Earth, for example, which basically sprung fully formed from the forehead of David Brower, Greenpeace developed in a more evolutionary manner. There was no single founder.” There was also no group of founders in any formal way, although several people played crucial roles in the early evolution of the organization."

That being said, it wouldn't surprise me that Greenpeace, like so many organizations ended up with internal bickering back in the day. All irrelevant now anyways. Patrick Moore was one of the original group and on the first boat trip to Alaska in the name of the environment, and was president of Greenpeace Canada back when Greenpeace actually was about the environment instead of socialist political activism.

[Rockie]

Guess what ladies and gentlemen, Patrick Moore co-founded Greenpeace.

Not according to Greenpeace.

Unfortunately, Greenpeace in its present form cannot be trusted to tell the truth,

In an amazing coincidence neither can Patrick Moore.

[Dh8Classic]

Not according to Greenpeace.

Unfortunately, Greenpeace in its present form cannot be trusted to tell the truth,

In an amazing coincidence neither can Patrick Moore.

Well, why don't you show us where his book is faulty. But you would have to go beyond your usual insults, so I don't expect anything. Just reading now about the scam of Polar Bears supposedly being endangered.

Got some news for people, they are not.

And you thought the scam of man-made global warming was decimating them. I wonder where that idea came from.

https://financialpost.com/opinion/the-r ... nipulation

[ayseven]

My problem is that they tax on top of tax, on top of tax. It has to be clarified, and with carbon tax, it is far from clear what really happens - but obviously the planet needs some help. Unfortunately, we tend to think in terms of financial quarters, instead of further ahead. We need plans for the future.

[Dh8Classic]

Unfortunately, Greenpeace in its present form cannot be trusted to tell the truth,

In an amazing coincidence neither can Patrick Moore.

Well, why don't you show us where his book is faulty. But you would have to go beyond your usual insults, so I don't expect anything. Just reading now about the scam of Polar Bears supposedly being endangered.

Got some news for people, they are not.

And you thought the scam of man-made global warming was decimating them. I wonder where that idea came from.

https://financialpost.com/opinion/the-r ... nipulation

Hey, Rockie disappeared but is insulting on other threads. I guess that is what happens when an intelligent response is demanded on a thread. Heeee's Gone.

Get the book by Patrick Moore. It will open your eyes to the global warming scam. Well, actually, Michael Moore did as well, from a different angle in his recent movie that is well worth watching.

Al Gore lives in a mansion and AC pilots collect CERB.

[Rockie]

In an amazing coincidence neither can Patrick Moore.

Well, why don't you show us where his book is faulty. But you would have to go beyond your usual insults, so I don't expect anything. Just reading now about the scam of Polar Bears supposedly being endangered.

Got some news for people, they are not.

And you thought the scam of man-made global warming was decimating them. I wonder where that idea came from.

https://financialpost.com/opinion/the-r ... nipulation

Hey, Rockie disappeared but is insulting on other threads. I guess that is what happens when an intelligent response is demanded on a thread. Heeee's Gone.

Get the book by Patrick Moore. It will open your eyes to the global warming scam. Well, actually, Michael Moore did as well, from a different angle in his recent movie that is well worth watching.

Al Gore lives in a mansion and AC pilots collect CERB.

Not gone, just had other things to do. I’d recommend some reading for you too but what for? You’re as educatable as a goldfish.

[Dh8Classic]

Well, why don't you show us where his book is faulty. But you would have to go beyond your usual insults, so I don't expect anything. Just reading now about the scam of Polar Bears supposedly being endangered.

Got some news for people, they are not.

And you thought the scam of man-made global warming was decimating them. I wonder where that idea came from.

https://financialpost.com/opinion/the-r ... nipulation

Hey, Rockie disappeared but is insulting on other threads. I guess that is what happens when an intelligent response is demanded on a thread. Heeee's Gone.

Get the book by Patrick Moore. It will open your eyes to the global warming scam. Well, actually, Michael Moore did as well, from a different angle in his recent movie that is well worth watching.

Al Gore lives in a mansion and AC pilots collect CERB.

Not gone, just had other things to do. I’d recommend some reading for you too but what for? You’re as educatable as a goldfish.

Didn’t I tell you guys the kind of response you would get from Rockie when it came to discussing the argument from the former Greenpeace Canada president that the climate change evidence is wrong( or whatever term he used).

I said Rockie would respond with insults and that is what he did and against me. No doubt as he is way out of his league.

Ready for next insult Rockie that seems to make you think you proved your argument.

Buy the book written by Patrick Moore. It was delivered in two days and a fairly good price.

[Rockie]

You clearly haven’t been paying attention and don’t understand, which further explains why I don’t argue or discuss with you guys. I mock you. Facts and reason pass through people like you without stopping or having any effect whatsoever so there is no point. It was mentioned a little while ago that people like you can only leave your twisted fantasy universe willingly, like anyone deeply buried in a cult. Full on interventions with people like you are iffy at best and that’s certainly not going to happen here anyway. So I ridicule you and mock you. It’s all you deserve.

I will never try and persuade you of anything.

By the way this is another example of mocking:

“It used to be once upon a time that pilots only thought they knew how to run airlines better than business people. Now you guys are proving that pilots know how to do everything better than everyone.

Makes me proud.”

A long time ago I used to be a little bit like you and was mocked similarly to this. I had matured by that point to admit that my insistent ignorance made me look like an idiot, because I was being an idiot. Mocking you might actually be your best hope. Reasoned discussion is certainly a waste of time.

[Dh8Classic]

And with that ladies and gentlemen, Rockie closes his arguments against the well thought out book by Patrick Moore(former president of Greenpeace Canada claiming that the climate change evidence is fraudulent.

Convincing wasn’t it(quoted below).


You can order the book on Amazon and follow his interesting tweets.

You clearly haven’t been paying attention and don’t understand, which further explains why I don’t argue or discuss with you guys. I mock you. Facts and reason pass through people like you without stopping or having any effect whatsoever so there is no point. It was mentioned a little while ago that people like you can only leave your twisted fantasy universe willingly, like anyone deeply buried in a cult. Full on interventions with people like you are iffy at best and that’s certainly not going to happen here anyway. So I ridicule you and mock you. It’s all you deserve.

I will never try and persuade you of anything.

By the way this is another example of mocking:

“It used to be once upon a time that pilots only thought they knew how to run airlines better than business people. Now you guys are proving that pilots know how to do everything better than everyone.

Makes me proud.”

A long time ago I used to be a little bit like you and was mocked similarly to this. I had matured by that point to admit that my insistent ignorance made me look like an idiot, because I was being an idiot. Mocking you might actually be your best hope. Reasoned discussion is certainly a waste of time.

[montado]

Rockie thinks his old age has given him wisdom, but all we can see in his new book is a crusty, grumpy old man.

[Dh8Classic]

Rockie thinks his old age has given him wisdom, but all we can see in his new book is a crusty, grumpy old man.

A crusty, grumpy old man can have reasonable arguments. Rockie has none.

Order this, one of several fascinating books on how you are losing your career for nothing.

Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout: The Making of a Sensible Environmentalist: Patrick Moore

https://www.amazon.ca/Confessions-Green ... 0986480827

[Rockie]

Rockie thinks his old age has given him wisdom, but all we can see in his new book is a crusty, grumpy old man.

A crusty, grumpy old man can have reasonable arguments. Rockie has none.

You guys really don't listen do you? How many different ways do I have to say I'm not arguing with you? I'm not having a discussion with you. I'm not trying to convince you of anything or rebut in a reasonable way any of the unreasonable nonsense you vomit.

I. am. ridiculing. you.

Man, you take all the fun out of everything.

[North Shore]

Not going anywhere, except down.