CpnCrunch wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:05 pm
confuzed wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:03 pm
You are picking and choosing here chum, did she have underlying issues? Wait, you just said she did...soooooo, yeah there's that.
No, you have misunderstood. She had an underlying condition. She KNEW she was at risk. But she chose not to have the vaccine because she had been fed misinformation about it causing infertility. She caught COVID and died.
What are the underlying issues that these people who have passed on had? It's hard to know, because that information isn't necessarily passed on to the general population. If it were 25,000 absolutely fit as a fiddle people dropping dead from Covid then yes for sure, have a ton of concern. Is it though?
That's my point! The information it out there for people who choose to look. For example, obesity increases mortality risk by 36%, and a small proportion of healthy people do end up in ICU:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... le/2770542
Gotcha, however there is no guarantee that she would not have caught Covid even after having been vaccinated. There never is any guarantees with anything really. She made a choice based on the information that she had and chose to follow, however to make a firm statement that getting a vaccine would have 100% prevented this from happening is a little disingenuous.
Agree, there is a plethora of available places to attain information. Some of it is straight up comical, and of course there is what the medical profession puts out. Nothing is worth listening to 100% though, as over time opinions (even medical ones) are adapted and changed as long term studies and evidence finding are carried out/found. If people make the choice early on, then good on them.
There are many examples over the years of things/opinions that have been changed over the decades. That is the nature of the beast though, and people don't just jump on the first available solution. They will sit back and study all available information over time before rushing to make a decision (aka jump on the bandwagon). It is what democracy is based on, allowing people to make their own decisions without being influenced heavily by others who think they know better. If you do enough research you can also find medical professionals who are not wanting to take a vaccine...it is what it is, and again is their choice.
You do however point out that "a small proportion of healthy people do end up in ICU" which I will not argue. What needs to be done is having COMPLETE transparency, as the media tends to just report overall death count without actually mentioning the background of the individual. I am not going to sit here and banter about the media, as there is no real point to that. It is what it is, nothing will change how they do business.
Perhaps an agree to disagree with a few things on this thread, I simply wanted to call out those who seem to be shaming others over something that they have no right to do. The aviation industry has already been absolutely decimated with many of our brethren undergoing the most challenging times in their careers...perhaps instead of sitting there being so condescending, it could best be spent respecting each other. Wait, I'm on AvCanada...forgot that isn't possible and ostracizing people is par for the course here.
You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck.