Canjet pilots and a Union??

jjj · Post by **jjj** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:35 am

Any former JetsGo guys,

Didn't you guys accept a lower per diem while in-flight and have the company provide some relatively simple and healthy catering? How was it done?

jjj

B73B · Post by **B73B** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:57 am

With regard to the food, the question was whether or not we have to . the lunch before I go south or if I can hold onto it. Does the fact of it being sealed or not make a difference?

As for the snacks, I wonder whats to come when, as a cost cutting measure, you have to pay for a pop and a bag of almonds. The vast majority do not abuse the snacks and most simply don't eat them much... if at all. I just feel it's a little petty to be asked to pay for a snack that's all.

whipline · Post by **whipline** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:00 am

When airlines start to get really cheap its time to start looking elswhere for work because they will be out of business shortly. The best tell tale sign is averaging out MEL's and Pax loads VS ticket price. If there is a lot more MEL's now then there used to be run!!

Average out your non charter flight loads and go on the internet and look at ticket prices. Your airplane is flying around at roughly $6000 hr if the loads don't add up run!!

wooden spoon · Post by **wooden spoon** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:20 am

i think the exjetsgo guys are afraid to post here as they seem to be included in all examples of the worst airline.Although they were on their second signed contract with the company,negotiating the third and working conditions had improved greatly.yes they did get food provided onboard(good from what i hear)and when they were overniting per diems.They were just about certified as a union and were in talks with ALPA.so if ALPA were courting them,was it financially unviable in their(ALPA) eyes.As i understand they dont take on employees at a fiscally unresponcible airline.HUM

eastdude · Post by **eastdude** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:36 am

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eastdude · Post by **eastdude** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:42 am

The problem here is that we do lots of 4 day pairings with long duty days during the pairing. They give us min time between legs to get ready for the next. usually 40 min turns which even when you unload 100+ pax clean the airplane ourselves, walk arounds, and blah blah there isn't time to get something to eat. Throw in a secuirty check which we do ourselves and there is zero time to get anything to eat. In order to maintain some sort of ontime performance we do all of this and then grab a snack onboard.
this is a new low in my opinion, whats next, paying for our uniform's??? Where does this sort of crap stop.

cargocrazy · Post by **cargocrazy** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:42 am

We pay for our uniforms at Kelowna Flightcraft.

WJ700 · Post by **WJ700** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:19 am

The Globe and Mail
BRENT JANG
Saturday, April 22, 2006

CanJet to scrap Toronto-Calgary service
CanJet Airlines plans to end its Toronto-Calgary service in September, just 16 months after launching the route. CanJet is still allowing passengers to book flights for travel until Sept. 11, but the western route will then be scrapped until further notice.

The Halifax-based airline, privately owned by Ken Rowe's IMP Group International Inc., started its push into Western Canada in mid-2005. However, the carrier cancelled its Toronto-Vancouver service last November. After the Toronto-Calgary route is scrubbed, that will reduce the number of scheduled destinations in CanJet's network to 13 cities -- none in the West. CanJet couldn't be reached for comment yesterday about a possible relaunch next spring of flights to Vancouver and Calgary.

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WJ700 · Post by **WJ700** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:21 am

Four1oh wrote:my goodness, how do all those westjet crews do it?!!

Our long days down south come with a very generous portioned crew meal. I haven't ever carted food with me on a pairing, other than what I've bought in the airport.

complexintentions · Post by **complexintentions** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 1:20 pm

Canjet pilots effective today have to pay for any onboard snacks except water or tea/coffee. Thanks Z.

Hmmm...does anyone know what the legalities are of a company unilaterally changing the working conditions during a unionization process? I seem to recall that the company is severly limited in taking away privileges and perks, as that could be seen as "punishing" the employees for bringing in a union. In fact I believe it doesn't even have to be a contractually agreed-upon perk, just something that was there before the collective agreement takes hold, has to be left intact until the agreement defines the working conditions.

Or am I out to lunch here? Anyone?

green bastard · Post by **green bastard** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:59 pm

complexintentions
Your 100% right, under the Canada trade act.

corytrevor · Post by **corytrevor** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:57 pm

At flightcraft you make a lot more than canjet pilots.....

Clint23 · Post by **Clint23** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:32 am

corytrevor wrote:At flightcraft you make a lot more than canjet pilots.....

which has exactly .....what to do with this thread?

hind sight · Post by **hind sight** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:43 am

Hmmm.
Maybe this has something to do with the code share deal with HMY that I heard whispers about?

nightrunner · Post by **nightrunner** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:36 am

I think it (dropping Calgary/Vancouver) has to do with the fact that Canjet cannot attract and train pilots fast enough to keep up with the new charter contracts. Therefore they have to drop the longer domestic routes in order to position a/c for the charters. They could order more a/c but there wouldn't be anyone to fly them.

WJ700 · Post by **WJ700** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:51 am

hind sight wrote:Hmmm.
Maybe this has something to do with the code share deal with HMY that I heard whispers about?

Its floating out there that HMY is wetleasing an F100 while they get an RJ through a C check and online?? These are some of the whispers we hear.

SPOT · Post by **SPOT** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:20 pm

IMP know what their doing. They have been dealing with unions for years. Mark it down, you piss off IMP by bringing in a union you will loose!! Paying for your pringles and coke is just the beginning. Eventially you will be out of a job.

Actually Canjet just lost half of its hanger space (down to one bay) because of a new Aurora contract that makes a hell of a lot more money than canjet. What do that mean, getting pushed to the wayside.

737 Mech · Post by **737 Mech** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:51 pm

SPOT wrote:IMP know what their doing. They have been dealing with unions for years. Mark it down, you piss off IMP by bringing in a union you will loose!! Paying for your pringles and coke is just the beginning. Eventially you will be out of a job.

Actually Canjet just lost half of its hanger space (down to one bay) because of a new Aurora contract that makes a hell of a lot more money than canjet. What do that mean, getting pushed to the wayside.

Well lets get a few facts posted first before you leave it on that note....

-IMP is building a GIANT hangar on taxiway Juilet and will be ready for aircraft use by october

-and then CanJet will reclaim the entire hangar (3 bays) when it is complete

-we will share the #2 bay with IMP till the new hangar is built ...not lose it all together like you say.

wrc · Post by **wrc** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:12 pm

is Uncle Kenny playing games again?

Some things never change.
He'll look after Randy but the rest of you in Sunnyvale are screwed.

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:24 am

To go back a few pages...

Po'dcjer,

Not sure why you chose to be misinformed about 65 (assuming you mean WestJet salary) but a first-year Captain at WestJet will show approximately $141,920.12 on his/her T4 plus or minus a few thousand here and there. And this is with minimal stock exposure. If one was to go for it, they might do better yet. Now you know.

No disrespect taken and none intended back.

WJ700 · Post by **WJ700** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:14 am

"Paying for your pringles"

Pringles, really? I'd pay for those.

Hey SPOT... are you related to the Rowe family by chance? I have a hard time actually think Kenny will shut down C6, pre-summer season and with all of those fresh leases on 737-500's.

737mach · Post by **737mach** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:09 pm

737 Mech wrote " Well lets get a few facts posted first before you leave it on that note....

-IMP is building a GIANT hangar on taxiway Juilet and will be ready for aircraft use by october

-and then CanJet will reclaim the entire hangar (3 bays) when it is complete

-we will share the #2 bay with IMP till the new hangar is built ...not lose it all together like you say.

I would like to add some info to the contrary:

- The bay has been empty ever since last week and CanJet is not allowed to use it. I think that means we lost it.
- When has a large hanger ever been built and moved into within 6 months? I would look for this time next year for completion. The ground has not been turned and the construction contract has not been awarded.
- I would play wait and see before you say CanJet will get the entire hanger. There is always alot of room in the #3 bay for a couple Sea Kings...

Just a couple cents from someone else in the know....

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:36 pm

737mach wrote:737 Mech wrote

Dizzy.....

Anyways...

Green and complexintentions

Was that in their original contract though, free food? Or was it just assumed, and they would take their fill of peanuts???

If it wasn't ever a "written right," then nothing was ever taken away, and the union will have a tough time proving otherwise...

po'dcjer · Post by **po'dcjer** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:19 pm

hey, just got the new may sked....another month with no weekends...that's three in a row for me - how about the rest of ya?

complexintentions · Post by **complexintentions** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:41 am

cyyz wrote:
737mach wrote:737 Mech wrote
Dizzy.....

Anyways...

Green and complexintentions

Was that in their original contract though, free food? Or was it just assumed, and they would take their fill of peanuts???

If it wasn't ever a "written right," then nothing was ever taken away, and the union will have a tough time proving otherwise...

Well, I'm no lawyer, but I've been through the unionization process before...I'm certain that privileges don't have to be in a written contract, hell the whole reason unions come in is largely due to there being no formal defined working conditions!

The employee group can appeal to the LRB that the company's timing to remove long-standing privileges, conveniently soon after the employees choose to unionize, is a punitive move. The LRB can rule as to whether it is or not.

Canjet pilots and a Union??

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