• Sault or Confederation?

Posted: **Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:14 am**

CLguy "The Zlins have been around for years, have already gone beyond their allowable life, had to get them extended or shut down the program and are far older than the majority of the Con College fleet of 172's. "

Well lets just take a look at a few confed planes,

GZJM-1978, GZMR-1999, GYRK-1978, GGXK-1979, GYYD-1978

Lets compare those to the sault's fleet

Most of the Zlin fleet was 1995 vintage, 3 are 2000 vintage and the twins are 1995 vintage.

CLGUY must have been a con grad, how can you tell? Must be those advanced math skills.......

But seriously CLGUY, seems like you have a hard on for the sault, even in some of the other threads you go out of your way to try and bash. What's your problem man?

I love your view on which sim is better, obviously ppl can tell by your posts its pretty unbiased. Besides that Confed doesn't even do an IFR, so there really is no comparison between the two schools. Confed for bush pilots and sault for corp\airline.

Posted: **Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:16 pm**

onspeed wrote:

Well lets just take a look at a few confed planes,

GZJM-1978, GZMR-1999, GYRK-1978, GGXK-1979, GYYD-1978

Isnt YRK '79? not that it makes a huge difference. Also, those N models from the 70s are being phased out- they have and will continue to get 1-2 newer S models each year like ZMR there.

Posted: **Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:20 pm**

Already five C172SP's in the fleet. GZMR, GZMT, GZMU, FCVY and a new one still in the hangar awaiting registration.

Posted: **Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:45 pm**

Endless wrote:

How old are the 180 series planes or the 206?

Cool Con College has a 206? and more than one C180?
I wonder why they havent told the students about theese extra planes?
Good research there endless!! Where did u find that?

Posted: **Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:29 pm**

Is anyone here, besides me, amazed this thread is still going on?

-istp

Posted: **Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:41 pm**

Is anyone here, besides me, amazed this thread is still going on?

I kinda was at first, but then I remembered how much time those tanker pilots have on their hands....

Posted: **Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:01 pm**

Yep Onspeed we don't have much else to do but surf the net and count our cash and frankly I am getting tired of the latter.

I believe the numerous CC grads that are flying Tankers across the country feel the same.

Posted: **Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:17 pm**

Oh boy. I am amazed at how funny it is.

Posted: **Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:22 pm**

not much else to do but count cash? I thought it was not much else to do but b!t*h.

But either way glad to know some of you guys are making money, be it tax payer money, either way I guess its government at some point up there..

There are definatly numerous sault grads doing well for themselves corp. \ airline.

Posted: **Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:50 pm**

onspeed wrote:Despite all the argument, pretty simple actually,

Want to fly in the bush then go to confed,

Want to fly corp. or airline then go to the sault.

Actually I would say what type of flying you want to make a career of is irrelevant. Confed grads (and I'm sure Sault grads as well) are working at Air Canada, the air force flying F-18s, flying for various government air services, and in every other level of aviation, large to small. The decision should be based on what route you would like to take to get there, that's all. If you have the desire to work the dock and fly in the bush and work your way up and experience that aspect of aviation, go to Confed. If you'd rather avoid the north and the bush and would prefer to instruct or work a ramp somewhere until you can sit co-joe on something go to the Sault.
The biggest thing before and after grad is to work hard and not be a friggin tool. Too many grads from too many colleges recently, come out and have attitudes and act like f*ckin idiots.
I went to Confed during the days of the old building and I'm familiar with the new one, and impressive as it is, and impressive as the new sim is, it's just not the same without that crappy old hangar. Just felt alot more like home.

Posted: **Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:54 pm**

Agreed

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:31 pm**

Hey istp and 'DUDE...I've got to agree with you guys. The kid already decided to go to Confed. Why are people still arguing? Who knows.

But back to the aircraft age topic...I fly a 1952 170B often, and she flies beautifully. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't even matter how old a trainer is, as long as it still is a good training platform (ie. conventional gear, ideally...but that's a whole'nother can of worms).

By the way...nice picture 'DUDE!

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:51 pm**

What the heck, let's keep this thread rolling!

One interesting thing that I've noticed is the "complex" that the Confed grads seem to have in this post. They're the ones who seem to be saying "no way, Confed is hands down the better choice!", while the Soo grads seem to be saying "The Soo was excellent, but I've heard Confed is excellent as well". All this BS about "Confed for floats/bush! Soo for IFR!" is not set in stone, either. I know Soo grads who started out flying floats, and Confed grads who started out flying IFR. Bottom line, both schools will probably provide top-notch instruction. I'd say you can't go wrong picking either school. Oh, and don't bash the Zlin until you've done a loop, followed by a hammerhead, followed by inverted flight leading into an inverted spin

. Then recover and maybe do some snap rolls if you feel like it......ahh EMT 3 was fun.

EC

Posted: **Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:51 am**

Just a little setting striaght of the record...

Earlier in this thread there was mention of students at the Soo being a year behind (and while this is not a new phenomenon, it happened while I was there, I think there may be different reasons this time round... the year after mine were all on time iirc). I asked a friend who is still in the know, and they sent me an email clearing up this little tidbit, here is the pertinent info:

Yes, there are students almost a full year behind, however, these are individuals who because of poor academics in 2nd year, [were not successful] (failed courses), they appealed (due to the strike) and won (thank you Mr. Dean of Technology). However, they are taking those courses again this year plus the 3rd year sylabus. This makes them only available [to fly] 2 days a week, and one of them refuses to fly on his 'day off'. Second point, after the strike, the students claimed to be so 'stressed out' that the majority of the class was on the sick list for two months. Third point, none of those same students that are behind stayed during their second summer.

Sidenote: one student is recorded as being on the sick list for 50ish (not sure of exact count) consecutive days!

So... yes, it sucks they are behind. What sucks even more is that like you said... ...they are not taking responsibility for it. It is everyone else's problem, the world owes them.

edited for annonymity

Posted: **Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:29 am**

Typical Sault College politics. I'M HAVING FLASHBACKS!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGHGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

-istp

Posted: **Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:31 am**

OK, I'm better now.

-istp

Posted: **Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:50 am**

Thought you might like that istp!

Posted: **Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:19 am**

It's pretty hilarious to watch people fight over which is the best deal: free flight training in YQT or free flight training in YAM

Posted: **Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:47 pm**

If you go to YAM you're penis will be bigger upon graduation. Well known fact.

Posted: **Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:10 am**

Okay...

So I have not yet graduated. At which point will my penis grow in size and by how much?

Cheers,

Appletini

p.s. Something is growing on it. But it's not getting any longer. Damn soo girls.

Posted: **Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:35 pm**

mellow_pilot wrote:Just a little setting striaght of the record...

Earlier in this thread there was mention of students at the Soo being a year behind (and while this is not a new phenomenon, it happened while I was there, I think there may be different reasons this time round... the year after mine were all on time iirc). I asked a friend who is still in the know, and they sent me an email clearing up this little tidbit, here is the pertinent info:

Yes, there are students almost a full year behind, however, these are individuals who because of poor academics in 2nd year, [were not successful] (failed courses), they appealed (due to the strike) and won (thank you Mr. Dean of Technology). However, they are taking those courses again this year plus the 3rd year sylabus. This makes them only available [to fly] 2 days a week, and one of them refuses to fly on his 'day off'. Second point, after the strike, the students claimed to be so 'stressed out' that the majority of the class was on the sick list for two months. Third point, none of those same students that are behind stayed during their second summer.

Sidenote: one student is recorded as being on the sick list for 50ish (not sure of exact count) consecutive days!

So... yes, it sucks they are behind. What sucks even more is that like you said... ...they are not taking responsibility for it. It is everyone else's problem, the world owes them.
edited for annonymity

There are very very very few actually behind because of academics. There was only ONE appeal. Second year second semester was their most difficult period for academics in the program. They lost almost a whole month of classes and the school did not extend the semester nor did they compensate to aid the students. Their only option was to be removed from the flying schedule which I believe is fair in this circumstance.

This class was one of very few classes that were actually on time going into their second year. There were many contributing factors by both parties that delayed them during the second and third year. In addition, not all students are financially capable of staying an extra summer. Call it a lack of motivation on their part if you want but it's always is nice to come back to school and have the ability to pay for a roof over your head and some form of nourishment.

50ish consecutive days "sick"-- 1. You may be talking about the student who remained on the sick list after being removed from flying following the strike and then went home for the summer.
2. You may be talking about the student who had been assaulted and in the ER for 3 days and awaiting a medical clearance.
So really, not that serious when you understand the actual situation.

The world owes them? A bit harsh? I agree everyone needs to take responsibilty but the school is just as much at fault as are the students. They are behind, yes, but there are only so many days a week you can fly weather permitting, finite amount of instructors and planes and first and second years to compete with.

I figured I would share this so the previous comments made about the graduating class didn't look so bad. They are a dedicated bunch but there is only so much they can do.

Hedley said it best --It's pretty hilarious to watch people fight over which is the best deal: free flight training in YQT or free flight training in YAM.

Posted: **Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:25 pm**

Name thief!!!

But seriously, I can understand both sides. The post I made was an exerpt from an email I got from a friend. I simply presented it here on their behalf. I know little of the situation of this class. I know that when I was there, there were similar issues. Many times the students had a case, many times they didn't. I will say that there is a culture of entitlement (to use the popular phrase) among the youth of our country today. I see less and less responsibility required of them. This doesn't mean that there aren't any good kids out there, just that many are little rotters.

I would also like to point out that no one has accused the entire class of anything. Each of the posts regarding this subject has mentioned that there are some in this prediciment. I certainly don't think that the entire class, or even a majority, would be in such a position.

As for the strike screwing things up... life sucks, get a helmet. My second year finished with our class being something like 6000 hrs behind in flying, iirc. Not the fault of the students, there were simply too many of us who had yet to fail out. You'll find that crappy things happen all the time to screw you over, character is the measure of overcoming adversity. If you work hard, it should all work out in the end.

Taking a break from flying for personal/medical reasons and being on the sick list are two very different things. Trust me, I know. A sick list is a short term thing. Like calling in sick at work. Much different from going on medical or personal leave.

I also completely understand the need to have money for food. I would in no way begrudge a student summer employment. For some, staying is not an option, regardless of the feelings of some of the faculty.

Posted: **Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:52 pm**

It is nice to know that instructors (out of the Sault?) are capable of reading even if they can't write and present facts correctly in a post. I am tired of the Sault 3rd year students getting dumped on because the program and its' instructors have not been able to deliver what it was contractually obligated to do. I don't remember seeing a post from students whining about the course being too tough but I do know that I've read about sick leaves, needing to work to support themselves through their college years, lousy scheduling and bad weather.

And entitlement to receive flighting training?! Most students do expect that if they work hard, get great marks, they will graduate from their course. Who wouldn't appeal?! However, as it seems this program is imploding on itself, the students are getting a raw deal. Take responsibility, no program should be behind in its' course curriculum by almost a year without looking at what the college has done wrong to let things get as bad as they are.

Posted: **Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:00 pm**

I live in Thunder Bay, and I'm planning on going in the Con College course aswell, just some things to think about if you live here:

- Try not to live near Simpson street ( East End), its all trashy neighbourhoods, some of Westfort is really nice, and closer to the airport is pretty nice area aswell, except for all the noise.

-Use the rec trail that runs throughout the city, if you got a couple hours to burn take a bike ride, its really beautiful in the summer. (except for the area around L.U. where you have to travel on some busy roads, but that lasts for a few blocks)

-Port Arthur is a much nicer part of the city (and I live in F.W.!!), marina park, good lookouts of the sleeping giant, etc.

-Really good transportation system around here (buses) that go around the entire city, just watch out for all the natives on the buses. That damn native that keeps leaving the shopping cart on our front lawn!!

Enjoy your stay here

Posted: **Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:40 am**

god9 wrote:
-Really good transportation system around here (buses) that go around the entire city, just watch out for all the natives on the buses. That damn native that keeps leaving the shopping cart on our front lawn!!

haha, by any chance, is that on Edward? I noticed a shopping cart at the one bus stop for a few weeks there.

Sault or Confederation?

Bigger eh?