Considering this Picture, do you guys wear full harness?

[ourkid2000]

Ourkid was born in 1976...........young yes, but no youngster.

Anyways, lets ignore this dickhead and move on.

[twotter]

I'd say DashX has had a little too much of gramma'z cough medicine..

Just a thought..

Or maybe he's CID's cousin..

[dashx]

[/quote]how is it easier to grab the throttles if you are restrained? I'm not experience with this and i'm curious how having the belts done up will help you

And you're calling me a dickhead?

But you're right it is time to move on and for me to take some more of grandma's cough medicine.

[CID]

Every time you take something apart you are reverse engineering it, if you don't work on machines, this concept might be hard to grasp

No. You're disassembling it. You'll re-assemble it by conforming it to the original drawings. Reverse engineering involves developing manufacturing drawings from the finished product.

Although dashx' statements are unpopular, he's 100% correct. Transport Canada (and the UK airworthiness authority) has held on to the "engineer" term in AME at the chagrin of several engeineering associations. It's only a matter of time before it's changed to AMT like in the US.

It really shouldn't be a matter of pride or respect. The term is confusing. Maintaining is not engineering and vica versa.

It's correct that an Engineer without an AME license can't return an aircraft to service. But that's not an engineer's role. An engineer in this industry develops and approves the design of the aircraft and its systems. AMEs put the airplane together in accordance with the drawings developed by the engineers.

One other point, an AME must have a license. An engineer must have an engineering diploma. An engineer with approval authority must have delegation from TC. Delegation, as opposed to a license allows the engineer to act directly on behalf of the Minister. An AME license allows an AME to act on his own behalf or the company that grants SCA/ACA.

I think a little training would clear this all up but none of the AME training courses I know of teach this.

[ourkid2000]

So admitting that I have little experience with something and wanting advice is idiotic or what? I've never ran up a large aircraft, what can I say.

Man don't be an knob.

[dashx]

ourkid:

Do you wear seatbelts when driving? Is it easy to reach the radio and ac/heater controls when you are?

Some things are done as a preventative measure.

Does Canjet have a check list that the maintenance dept follows when doing run ups? Or do they just use the pilot checklists?

An AMO will develop its own policies and procedures in order to minimize incidents and accidents. Wearing the harness is one of them. You need to inform yourself and more importantly the AMO you are now working for has a legal obligation to train you to do the job properly. You should ask your crew chief/lead hand/ QA what the policies are regarding this issue.

I wear the harness when doing run ups (if I forget the guy next to me will remind me to put it on). Not always the shoulder part but always the lapbelt part.

Sometimes there is no easy answer.

Now where is that cough medicine?

[BoostedNihilist]

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[BoostedNihilist]

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[dashx]

Funny I don't see aircraft maintenance engineer anywhere in that defintion.

Am I supposed to read between the lines?

But wait:

"a person who operates or is in charge of an engine"

That means that a pilot is also an engineer. Yes?

Or does that apply only to a locomotive engineer?

Oh well blame the British and their antiquated (and out of date) terminology and lets be done with it.

[BoostedNihilist]

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[dashx]

You need to watch what you are saying when it comes to whores and sluts. It has absolutely no relevance in this topic. It's just your verbal diarrhea on your part.

What a woman does in bed is none of your concern. So what if a woman wants to "shag" you and your friend? I've seen women (and men) make the rounds and so what?

But again we digress.

Here is the quote again. Pay attention please:

"a person who operates or is in charge of an engine"

Who operates. Doesn't a pilot control the engine(s) on the ground and in the air?

Is in charge of an engine. He is in charge of the engine is he not? He is responsible for it is he not? Just as an AME might be on the ground?

The english language is a weird and wonderful and complicated language.

Like I said blame the British....But please don't bring sex into this .....

BTW do you wear a harness during runs? I never did see that anywhere in your posts.

[BoostedNihilist]

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[CID]

Anyways, no a pilot is not 'in charge' of the engine, he is using the engine, the AME's are in charge of the engine, as ultimately, if there is a problem they shoulder the responsibility of fixing, troubleshooting, or replacing the part.

A train engineer is pretty much the "pilot" of the train. Again, a very confusing use of the word.

BootedNihlist,

Sorry, you're just wrong. AMEs don't do engineering. And that's in practical terms and by definition. Not only in dictionaries but in the CARS.

Please, by all means show me in the CARs where AMEs do engineering.

You can be all pissed off at the "engineers" that screwed up the design but they DID design the thing. AMEs by definition don't design things no matter how you try to slant it. And so what? Why are you so insistant that AMEs do "engineering"? Do car mechanics do engineering?

I can wrap my head around the concept just fine. I guess I don't let ego interfere.

A point of my own, when working up in the patch we would constantly curse engineers, because to those of us 'know nothings' that have to re-engineer all their crappy engineering it appears that a 'real' engineer has about as much clue of how to engineer something as some stupid hick farm boy that can use a measuring tape.

I guess all those airplanes that AMEs work on just materialized out of thin air. Or are you suggesting AMEs designed them?

Okay, you have two girls

One girl asks you for money after a shag (whore)

The other girl shags you and your friend but does not ask for money (slut)

Just because a whore asks for money does not mean that she isn't also a slut

Okay, you have 2 guys. One is an AME and another is a medical doctor. You run into a hospital emergency room suffering from a heart attack. Who's going to help you?

Just because one thinks he's a doctor, doesn't mean he is.

Here's another angle. You're at a cocktail party. A guy asks you what you do for a living. You say you're an "engineer". He asks where you got your diploma and you tell him you didn't need one. That's when he rolls his eyes and finds someone serious to talk to.

[CID]

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[dashx]

BM: So you're an aviator (possibly an aviatrix ?) congrats. For all I know you could also be an AME ........

So now you've forced me to go and check Wikipedia and lo and behold what do i find????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_m ... e_engineer

And what do they call people in the US who maintain planes?

Why Aircraft maintenance technicians. So in the US they are not engineers are they? they are technicians.... But hey those Americans they would want to be different from let's see who?? Oh the British ....why they happen to have aircraft maintenance engineers as well?

so now we move on to Australia let's see what do they have down under?

Oh i see they are LAME down under (i knew it)

Licenced Aircraft Maintenance engineers (Those Bloody British again...)

Thank god we don't have boots and bonnets on our cars anymore. EH?

So first we need to shed ourselves of the old tyranny if we are to move ahead. What say old chap?

Here's a link for what seems to be aircraft mechanics and aircraft electricians:

http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_swiss ... ician.aspx

And on this one they are looking for all sorts:


http://www.aviationjobsearch.com/employ ... &IndType=0


We are still living under the British system and certain individuals decided to elevate technicians/mechanics/AME's to a higher level. Can you agree to that?

Unfortunately it is an old and antiquated term. And if you can't see that well bollocks to you.

Enjoy your flying and its good to know you wear your harness when you are flying that blue yonder.

Maybe it's time to start a new post? Maybe then more engineers can give me grief.

Cheers.

[BoostedNihilist]

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[CID]

My principal was a doctor of education, doesn't mean I would let him perform a colonscopy, but he is a doctor nonetheless, even though he doesn't fit the traditional widely held standard of the word, he has a piece of paper that says he is a doctor.

I doctorate isn't unique to the medical profession. You do need a university degree to obtain one however. You can be a Doctor of Engineering too. You can't however be a doctor of aircraft maintenance engineering.

I guess you can unofficially call AME's "doctors" if you want. But it won't make them a doctor. Just like calling them Aircraft Maintenance Engineers doesn't make them "engineers".

Same goes for "doctor of love".

[dashx]

AMD

Aircraft maintenance doctor.

I could live with that. And a wear a harness to boot.

Ya baby.

[twotter]

CID is just pissed because nobody recognizes him as an engineer. Probably because he is a technician. At least those of us whose licences say engineer on them can claim to be one. For whatever purpose. Much like those of us who have a pilots licence can claim we know how to fly an airplane. If you have neither in this industry I guess it makes you a wannabe or an apprentice.

[CID]

Nice. No more useful (or truthful) information. Just another personal attack. You must be a real treat in person twotter.

[clubzed]

WTF? - Am I dreaming? - is this some sort of nightmare that just won't die a death? - can anyone remember the formula for getting back on track? - PLEASE SEND HELP!!!!!

[MCRS]

Just to keep this fire burning!
Engineering Definition:
(N) Practical use of Sciences in industry, building, etc.
Engineer Definition:
(N) One trained in Engineering, Locamotive Driver V. Manage Skillfully.

Now I always thought those that recieved the Engineer Degree for Power engineering ect only had theory behind and no practical usage.
So judging by the two definitions they both seem to me to stay if you use any of the sciences to complete your job you are considered an Engineer. IE in the Old days the Locamotive Driver was looking after a boiler so he had to know how the boiler and engine worked together. He couldn't just get on the blower and call for the AMA to come toe him to the next station!

By the way I did say before I could care less if you called me Engineer or Mechanic, however if someone asks me what I am I do use my Designation from Transport Canada Aircraft Maintenance Engineer. And I only strap in when I have to taxi anywhere. (I work on smaller Aircraft with no worries of having it pull more power then breaks and chocks can handle!)
675 hp here I come Yeah Baby!
mcrs

[CID]

Now I always thought those that recieved the Engineer Degree for Power engineering ect only had theory behind and no practical usage.

What does that mean exactly? What do you think Professional Engineers go to school for?

[MCRS]

Now I always thought those that recieved the Engineer Degree for Power engineering ect only had theory behind and no practical usage.

What does that mean exactly? What do you think Professional Engineers go to school for?

It means exactly what it says CID. An Engineer with the piece of paper and ring as some put it.
Studies the theory and draws it out in theory would you agree!?
Where as the "Mechanic/ Engineer/ Technician" or whatever you want to call us are the ones who actually, use practical science. Meaning we look at and construct what the Engineer Drew out in Theory
What He would like built, then tell him if it works or to try again, with suggestions of improvements to design or useablity. Are you still following what I am saying? Now if we find it doesn't work the way the "Engineer" designed it, and we give him either Verbal or drawen or whatever assistance with the design the the "Engineer" made are we not now considered "Engineers" for assisting with the improved design of a System or part? This senario happens more then you think.
And yes, I do think "Engineers" go to School to learn the theory of their field of endeavour. Just like any other University or college course you do. You learn the theory in School with maybe a little praticum. but you really don't start putting the Theory you "Learned into Practical use till you have graduated!"

[CID]

So why not cut out the middle man? Based on what you're saying, Engineers are useless since they do no "practical" work. Apparently designs are really worked out by the production people.

What much of what you wrote (and many others in this thread) indicates is there is great need to train AMEs in the process of aircraft design and certification. I don't know of any school that includes that in their curriculum and it's proven to be a real problem.