No my memeory is not jaded. I didn't say it couldn't be done, but low time Beaver guys are the majority of the statistics. I learn to fly tail dragger on a Pitts S1, I did, but I can tell you there were a few moments my ass was pretty tight and only because I had 3000 hours experience did I survive. Everyone told me I was crasy to learn on one of the most squirliest a/c but I was cool, I survived, but I wouldn't recomend the S1 as your first tail dragger.
The problem with a lot of pilots here and other forums and on the dock in Red Lake is that the story they tell is always a little more colourful than what really happened. There is always a x-wind, the tress were 150 footers, water is glassy, just at sunset, oil on the windscreen, over gross etc..etc... and the Hero always comes home.
The truth is many of your 500tt pilots spend the whole first summer on a beaver cleaning the shit out of their pants. And if it is all so easy and safe why do the insurance companies want 500 tt on water before they insure a pilot on the Beaver.
Have you applied for a float job lately, you need 500 tt on water and 200 in the last year to get on a Beaver unless the opperator has an open clause and the last I heard from the Red Lake area operators they were about to loose that option because of all the incidents last summer from low low low time beaver jocks.
But you have a right to your opinion ....
first year float wages (bush)
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Re: first year float wages (bush)
Well, first of all CL Guy, his memory is not jaded. But in all fairness he was only two years old twenty years ago when some of us were actually out there flying.
Maybe I am getting to old and crotchy, but this kind of poster writing derogatory things about specific people and companies is not something I think we need here. His enjoyment of "pissing on people" seems to reflect a bit of a shift in reality as he does not recognize what a fool he is making of himself.
You are truly a piece of work GH. I wonder what is so wrong in your life that you take enjoyment at being so mean to others.
The truth is many of your 500tt pilots spend the whole first summer on a beaver cleaning the shit out of their pants.
I am guessing that with your self stated superior flying skills this did not apply to you, as you still seem to be full of it
Maybe I am getting to old and crotchy, but this kind of poster writing derogatory things about specific people and companies is not something I think we need here. His enjoyment of "pissing on people" seems to reflect a bit of a shift in reality as he does not recognize what a fool he is making of himself.
You are truly a piece of work GH. I wonder what is so wrong in your life that you take enjoyment at being so mean to others.
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Re: first year float wages (bush)
I'm still waiting Hornet, lets hear about all the "incidents" from around NWO that involve 500tt beaver drivers. Back up your claims with facts.
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Re: first year float wages (bush)
Polar One ......
It is amazing how many of you "professional pilots" lack any sense of self respect.
Polar One you are a classic example of some big mouth ,self appointed, aviation gurru, who thinks he knows it all.
I had 8000 hours 20 years ago you moron.
Trust me simpleton there is nothing in your great and vast expanse of aviation experience that a tit like you could show me.
So unless you have something semi-intelligent to add to the conversation go blow smoke up someone elses ass. I am trying to deal with 2 idiots here now and I don't have time to rattle sabres with another petrified relic of the good ole days.
Moderator could you please lock this thread...
It is amazing how many of you "professional pilots" lack any sense of self respect.
Polar One you are a classic example of some big mouth ,self appointed, aviation gurru, who thinks he knows it all.
I had 8000 hours 20 years ago you moron.
Trust me simpleton there is nothing in your great and vast expanse of aviation experience that a tit like you could show me.
So unless you have something semi-intelligent to add to the conversation go blow smoke up someone elses ass. I am trying to deal with 2 idiots here now and I don't have time to rattle sabres with another petrified relic of the good ole days.
Moderator could you please lock this thread...
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Re: first year float wages (bush)
sdp .. ask Lee about his pilots first flight into the trees before the season even got started. Lee had another low time guy crash one last summer. KA just leasd one of thier machines this summer and it was wrecked etc etc ...
If you read the accident reports sent to you by TC you would have some idea of what the hell you were talking about. Instead of bashing people on here in defense of your pathetic life experiences you might learn something. Maybe you should keep your mouth shut and your stupid opinions to yourself for a bit and listen and learn off of the other guys here.
Your mouth is about 4 gears ahead of your brain.
Now find some other guy to play stupid with ..........
If you read the accident reports sent to you by TC you would have some idea of what the hell you were talking about. Instead of bashing people on here in defense of your pathetic life experiences you might learn something. Maybe you should keep your mouth shut and your stupid opinions to yourself for a bit and listen and learn off of the other guys here.
Your mouth is about 4 gears ahead of your brain.
Now find some other guy to play stupid with ..........
Re: first year float wages (bush)
You know I am starting to enjoy this thread.
Seems with a little prodding you can completely lose any speck of civility.
But we do agree on one thing.
Now manners, decency, and truthfulness ...yes.
Very bitter about Red Lake are we? What a surprise that someone with your attitude would have a problem in the industry.
Seems with a little prodding you can completely lose any speck of civility.
But we do agree on one thing.
Trust me simpleton there is nothing in your great and vast expanse of aviation experience that a tit like you could show me.
I could not agree with you more. In fact, I dont think there is to much anyone could show you about flying.
Now manners, decency, and truthfulness ...yes.
Very bitter about Red Lake are we? What a surprise that someone with your attitude would have a problem in the industry.
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Re: first year float wages (bush)
I said back it with facts. The beaver accident at pickrel arm wasn't a 500tt, the quy was 50years old with lots of time. Kenora air's beaver was on a lease to "Tundra Tom" not a 500tt pilot either(500tt would have been safer it that one for sure.) It happened in northern sask too. Try again! BY the way I am not bashing anyone but you, because you come on hear and shoot your mouth off about stuff you"heard" about.
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Aw, dont go bashing GH....besides being a good example of why first cousins should not marry, he is the perfect poster boy for the pro-choice people to advance their cause.
Besides, he is just a kid.
Besides, he is just a kid.
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Re: first year float wages (bush)
polar one, every once in a while these forums get a Green Hornet who shows up and immediately begins to rip apart someone they either know or for some reason resent.
When he started on me I was well aware of how it would probably go and having some spare time on my hands I decided to see just what this guy was really all about.
The progression of the back and forth went as I figured it would, a typical wannabe who tries to belittle others by asking pointed questions that he hopes will give him ammunition to tear someone apart.
When he kept taunting me to tell him who I have flown for I am sure he thought that it would be some company that is in his tiny corner of the industry, it is evident from the way he started with me that he thought I was from Kenora.
So I decided to give him what he wanted and told him to go rent one of the movies that I flew in, that of course burst his bubble because that obviously was out of his realm of things to deal with as there are no movie companies in Red Lake or Kenora.
I have been posting here for a long time and find that the general quality of the forum is going down hill with far to many Green Hornets who are unable to really add any real useful contribution to what should be a great place for aviation buffs to share their experiences and their love of the industry with each other.
His childish use of "sort of" threats to kick the shit out of people on this forum is however skating on the thin edge of what people may want to put up with.
Now I am going to give him one more place that I have worked where he would really be able to strut his stuff and that was Africa in some of the worlds most deplorable war torn countries while flying for TF1 television.
With that attitude he would not last very long as he would end up just another body stuffed into a dark corner of some back street, a has been with no past and no future.
When he started on me I was well aware of how it would probably go and having some spare time on my hands I decided to see just what this guy was really all about.
The progression of the back and forth went as I figured it would, a typical wannabe who tries to belittle others by asking pointed questions that he hopes will give him ammunition to tear someone apart.
When he kept taunting me to tell him who I have flown for I am sure he thought that it would be some company that is in his tiny corner of the industry, it is evident from the way he started with me that he thought I was from Kenora.
So I decided to give him what he wanted and told him to go rent one of the movies that I flew in, that of course burst his bubble because that obviously was out of his realm of things to deal with as there are no movie companies in Red Lake or Kenora.
I have been posting here for a long time and find that the general quality of the forum is going down hill with far to many Green Hornets who are unable to really add any real useful contribution to what should be a great place for aviation buffs to share their experiences and their love of the industry with each other.
His childish use of "sort of" threats to kick the shit out of people on this forum is however skating on the thin edge of what people may want to put up with.
Now I am going to give him one more place that I have worked where he would really be able to strut his stuff and that was Africa in some of the worlds most deplorable war torn countries while flying for TF1 television.
With that attitude he would not last very long as he would end up just another body stuffed into a dark corner of some back street, a has been with no past and no future.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
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Re: first year float wages (bush)
. you are my HERO.
You have come a long way from sleeping in your car in T-Bay, but your still an ass hole.
Not a bad pilot .... just an asshole as a person.
Got it figured out yet .... dipshit.
You have come a long way from sleeping in your car in T-Bay, but your still an ass hole.
Not a bad pilot .... just an asshole as a person.
Got it figured out yet .... dipshit.
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Re: first year float wages (bush)
Green Hornet, it has been many years since I was in T-bay.
However you have finally shown you really haven't a clue because the only time I ever flew out of T-bay I was flying on contract with OMNR on the water bombers, OMNR may have its faults but I assure you they did not have us sleeping in cars.
My guess is you will very shortly be banned from this forum for your deliberate personal attacks on people who you don't even know.
In fact I would lay a bet on it.
However you have finally shown you really haven't a clue because the only time I ever flew out of T-bay I was flying on contract with OMNR on the water bombers, OMNR may have its faults but I assure you they did not have us sleeping in cars.
My guess is you will very shortly be banned from this forum for your deliberate personal attacks on people who you don't even know.
In fact I would lay a bet on it.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
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Re: first year float wages (bush)
Remember this Polar One, Chucky, BJ or dpg or what ever it is...
It took 35 hours to get a license, 6 weeks of ground school 3 hours a night twice a week.
It takes longer to get a G1 drivers license or to complete a word perfect for DUMMIES course. So if you think you are something special think again. The first pilot in space was a monkey.
What we do for a living ,once you remove all the folk lore and glory is hard work for minimal pay.
A float pilot with tons of experience might make 6000 k a month for 5 months a year. Thats $30,000 a year. A high school graduate typing at a desk makes that if not more her first year.
Flipping burgers at McDonalds at 9.00 per hour makes more than you do.... so get a reallity check super star.
I don't care if you were Tom Cruise in Top Gun you are still just a pilot who worked his ass off for peanuts most of his life.
You think you are special cause you are a pilot ... then you need a realty check, your no better than me or anyone else here. You just have a big eggo and a big mouth.
You havn't made enough money in your elustrious carrier to pay for the plastic surgery it would take to give you a personality. You were an ashole when you were young .. and you are still an asholw.
As far as these other wannabe blowhards there is no point in responding to them .. they are just here kissing your ass.
With all that said I am proud to be a pilot, I have worked hard for little pay for many years, I respect any fellow pilot who has done the same. I think aviation is an honourable career for anyone who "dreams" of flying. Stand your ground, and demand to get paid for what your worth. Outfitters and corporations make money and so should you.
. one last thought before I go...
YOU know you are a good pilot when YOU don't have to tell everyone YOU are.
In your case my friend you have failed as a pilot, an advisor and even as a human being.
You were, and always will be a big mouth blow hard.
Ben
It took 35 hours to get a license, 6 weeks of ground school 3 hours a night twice a week.
It takes longer to get a G1 drivers license or to complete a word perfect for DUMMIES course. So if you think you are something special think again. The first pilot in space was a monkey.
What we do for a living ,once you remove all the folk lore and glory is hard work for minimal pay.
A float pilot with tons of experience might make 6000 k a month for 5 months a year. Thats $30,000 a year. A high school graduate typing at a desk makes that if not more her first year.
Flipping burgers at McDonalds at 9.00 per hour makes more than you do.... so get a reallity check super star.
I don't care if you were Tom Cruise in Top Gun you are still just a pilot who worked his ass off for peanuts most of his life.
You think you are special cause you are a pilot ... then you need a realty check, your no better than me or anyone else here. You just have a big eggo and a big mouth.
You havn't made enough money in your elustrious carrier to pay for the plastic surgery it would take to give you a personality. You were an ashole when you were young .. and you are still an asholw.
As far as these other wannabe blowhards there is no point in responding to them .. they are just here kissing your ass.
With all that said I am proud to be a pilot, I have worked hard for little pay for many years, I respect any fellow pilot who has done the same. I think aviation is an honourable career for anyone who "dreams" of flying. Stand your ground, and demand to get paid for what your worth. Outfitters and corporations make money and so should you.
. one last thought before I go...
YOU know you are a good pilot when YOU don't have to tell everyone YOU are.
In your case my friend you have failed as a pilot, an advisor and even as a human being.
You were, and always will be a big mouth blow hard.
Ben
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Re: first year float wages (bush)
Chucky ... I was there flying with you .... and you did sleep in your car.
You were a ramp pig ....
You were a ramp pig ....
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Re: first year float wages (bush)
Bump:
I have never worked in T-bay for any operator except as a water bomber pilot in the late 70's and early 80's and it is absurd to suggest we had to sleep in our cars.
This has gone beyond any reasonable level of what should be allowed on Avcanada.My guess is you will very shortly be banned from this forum for your deliberate personal attacks on people who you don't even know.
In fact I would lay a bet on it.
I have never worked in T-bay for any operator except as a water bomber pilot in the late 70's and early 80's and it is absurd to suggest we had to sleep in our cars.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
Re: first year float wages (bush)
Okay, enough entertainment. Nobody can play nice here? THE END
