you're all giving me an aneurysm of a headache!

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because you said india and many other countriessugarfree wrote:What does old english colonaies have to do with Air safety??
The opinions seemed to be based on frustration and on the fact that some have to learn a second language.
The default language is English .. so live with it.
Sorry, but when 95% of the pilots flying in the area I'm flying's mother language is French... I'll speak French on the radio... for safety & SA concerns. If I hear 1 english comm in my surrondings... I'll do billingual advisories. That way I'm sure everybody get's the message. Truly sorry for all of you that don't like hearing French on the radio... but it's part of what makes Canada... well... Canadian.KAG wrote:How can anyone with any flying experience argue that speaking 2 languages at the same airport could possibly be anything but a serious detriment to total SA of all involved?!
You know what guys, it comes down to a very simple reality.
Jazz 2345 cleared to land 24L, and
Jazz deux, trois, quatre, cinq d'accord debarquer a la piste vingt quatre gauche (sorry if thats incorrect)
The thing is, if i've just been cleared to position on runway 24 L and hear that transmission in English I probably STOP, if that transmission is made in French...I have no idea that it's a potential hazard. And guess what, controllers aren't perfect and this is something that happens everyday...
LOL... we've got a real smart history buff here let me tell ya... this is one of the most preposterous, pompous and venimous post in this entire retarded thread. Wow... Carrier... There are not enough adjectives (in any dictionnary - French OR English or Swahili) to qualify your ignorance, hatred and stupidity.Carrier wrote:The gradual encroachment of French was a series of unelected acts by the Liberal Party of Canada. Remember that the French in Canada lost the Battle of the Plains of Abraham but as a gracious gesture by the victors the losers were permitted to keep and use their own language and some of their civil law in their own province....
Wrong. Use of French is not a safety issue in Quebec and it has nothing to do with political expediency.Carrier wrote:...safety is degraded in Quebec by the use of French purely for political expediency.
Sure, but this has little to do with Quebec at all. Lets go listen to IFR traffic in Vancouver in 25 years and see if we can understand the foreign crews better than today.Carrier wrote:From 5th March 2008, a new ICAO proficiency standard for the use of English in aviation will become applicable to enhance safety.
False. Africa - North South East or West - has the worst aviation safety record in the WORLD.Carrier wrote:Obviously South Africans have more of a safety culture and are more responsible than Canadians
Carrier wrote:Most Canucks lack the guts to stand up for aviation safety and demand that only English be used in Canadian aviation
Irrelevant. Anyone who continues to bring up the Plains of Abraham to support their argument is out of touch with the reality of today. We are debating the use of French in the air in 2008, not why and how Quebec was won or lost.Carrier wrote:...blah blah General Wolfe won the Battle of the Plains of Abraham at Quebec city ... blah blah.. defeated French in Quebec were not evicted ... blah blah... were allowed to remain and use their own language... blah blah
Off topic. Rant.Carrier wrote:Quebec has deliberately driven out businesses and anglophones with its language policies and deterred new businesses.. blah blah etc
Bigotry, hatred. You're making a statement about how you feel about Quebec in Canada - nothing about aviation safety.Carrier wrote: Taxpayers in productive provinces should not be required to subsidise parasite provinces that have deliberately destroyed jobs and made their businesses uncompetitive by their negative fiscal and language policies.
Agreed on the English f... but dont you think Bombardier has contributed to the Canadian economy in a little way? (and not only Quebec). Again, you're on a rant.Carrier wrote:“Pay your way and contribute to Canada instead of being a drain on the country.” ... "...when Bombardier sells CRJs to some American air operator or railway rolling stock to New York City that negotiations and documents are in English!
Well thank you on their behalf (I dont reside in Quebec by the way); quebecers should send a yearly thank you card to Buckingham Palace with your remarks in quotes.Carrier wrote:Residents of Quebec should be grateful that they are there and that they are able to use French
No!!?? Really? you must be kidding... I cant believe that! Aren't they all poutine-eating, chain-smoking love-making French-swearing peasants who abuse the rest of Canada!?! You cant possibly have met ONE that you liked?Carrier wrote:I must add that over the years I have known many francophones from Quebec and they have all been very pleasant people
No?! You are a westerner? I could never have guessed.Carrier wrote:As a consequence it has alienated vast parts of Canada (the West particularly) and contributed to Western separatist movements such as Westfed and the Western Canada Concept.
Realy? Can you re-read your entire post?Carrier wrote:As others have inferred, we should all work together for the common good and stop pandering to vocal factions.
I do not recall ever saying that I am against French in the air.CD is also against French in the air but at least he's not a bigot.
That's not what he's asking...jetflightinstructor wrote:True. And nicely said.I am undoubtedly bias, because my first language is English. But the international language for aviation is English, is it not? If it were something else, then I guess I'd have some extra learning to do.
Not quite sure how I feel about having both on the radio here, but if someone were to be speaking French, I couldn't help but feel out of the loop... as we all know situational awareness is key to everyone's safety.
At the same time, how would you deal with that? You are from "quebec" (or insert any country you want), you are 50 years old, you dont speak english, you speak "french", you have just bought a C150 and passed your PPL. You want to fly at "quebec city" airport. What would you do? Fly or not?
Be careful here... I agree with what you say. I just want to remind to Xlent the complexity of the world, and that the fact to be arrogant is just being part of the problem, not the solution
Switzerland is trinligual, fly into the international in Geneva and try speaking German, Italian or French and see what happensMône wrote:I would like to remind everyone that Canada elected to be a bilingual country, english AND french.