T.C shuts part of Skyward down

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:20 pm

Naw, RSC........

Paperwork is the very last thing that ensures safety and compliance to safety issues....

Cat

centerstored · Post by **centerstored** » Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:47 pm

Well, it's simple, when you get jerkoff companies going around suing TC for their own blatent inadequacies....go figure. From what I've heard, some of the $hit that TC is raping Skyward over is pure silliness.

North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:34 pm

Man, this is great - unintentional hilarity, too!

Chaplin:

Chaplain:

Perhaps he's praying for the NHL, too - when he's not busy with K9's problems!

lost up north · Post by **lost up north** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:04 am

I'm living through this nightmare and dont know when to throw in the towel and go crying back home? Everyone always says if you work hard at something and put your mind to it you will get thought it but this is tough.You cant live with out working, you cant work if they want you to train and who will give you a job if they know your just going to leave.So much for living the DREAM!!!!!
Yes we are on 48 hour call back
Yes they have asked us to train without pay in lieu of time off
Yes there are a good bunch of people up here that are hurting

200 hrs · Post by **200 hrs** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:30 am

Yes, Perimeter has their audit at the end of the month, and yes they will pass with flying colours. They have nothing to hide. As far as medevac aircraft, six in the province is enough. I don't think anyone will die because a clamped out 421 is grounded.

mister mofo · Post by **mister mofo** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:57 am

cpt sweet'njuicy wrote:....I hear that when TC gets to Perimeters audit it all starts with a wine and cheese.....then there is a dance....a magic show with live acts to follow ...medevacs are covered......they're on it.....

I once sat in on a meet with TC, back when BW Sr. was still running the show at PAG. It was actually fully catered by Norm & Nates Deli. No wine though.

What I havn't seen anyone post about this whole suspension is that this sort of thing is bad for everyone, in the long run. Airlines being shut down looks bad for the industry, not just the one company.

It's really just another reason why pilots should remember that doing the company a favour by looking the other way, isn't really helping.

Within reason of course.

Jr.wrench · Post by **Jr.wrench** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:49 am

so it's official, skyward has layed off all maintenance, exept a couple of guys in YTH, and YWG!!!! is the end in sight?? i think it is closer than anyone would like to admit. yet management is still working!! with out maintenance how can the company fix any of the TC findings?? what's next?? ony time will tell. here's hoping for the best

Northern Flyer · Post by **Northern Flyer** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:57 am

Is it true that the aircraft Skyward has chartered to do thier work the last little while have been cut loose???

bartbandy · Post by **bartbandy** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:47 am

pushyboss · Post by **pushyboss** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:34 am

Management is obviously at fault here for letting the operation stray from the straight and narrow but do you honestly think that management is just lounging around collecting a paycheck and laughing at all those silly pilots and engineers. Who else in an operation has the authority and resources to fix whatever problems they have run into. Laying non-essential workers off is only good business sense, and yes with no OC pilots and most of maintenence are non-essential.

When the dust settles and the OC is re-instated and the aircraft are up and running is when changes should (and probably will) be made at the management level.

grouchy · Post by **grouchy** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:04 am

As much as I hate to admit it but I have to agree with SnJ here. (Ah I just puked!)

Nows the time to hammer them with a shop union or organization or whatever ya want to call it and the first thing on the agenda is:
"No we will not train in lieu
and we want our days off too."
Hey that rhymes.
Providing they have jobs to go back to.

Managers are no doubt scrambling, but they are no doubt not working for nothing.

Bart Bandy ...good series of books eh?

TROWL · Post by **TROWL** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:13 am

I'm not even sure if staff can organize a union when they're technically not working for the company. Besides, I have a hunch that this is the end of Skyward Aviation.

bartbandy · Post by **bartbandy** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:14 am

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:49 am

Side note:

I keep seeing these unknown names popping up with one post here and one post there .. if you have info you want to share don't be a p*ssy about it .. use your normal username?!!? .. If your a Skyward employee why hide yourself??! .. Sorry for the side note here .. hope nobodies offended .. just don't like that crap .. If your willing to say it .. SAY IT .. but don't hide .. My view .. take it or leave it ..

TROWL · Post by **TROWL** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:07 pm

So, umm.. Localizer is your real name?? How unfortunate.

bartbandy · Post by **bartbandy** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:09 pm

I dunno. Easy to say as an AC employee I suppose, but what about the people that work for smaller companies?. Perhaps they just fear for their jobs? And yeah, what a name, localizer....your momma not like you?

Dr evil · Post by **Dr evil** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:19 pm

Localizer, I'd be flyin down the road if advocated losing the chaplin, the owners love that damned guy. A good portion of the management do read avcanada, so better to be safe.

do you think Milton knows you are "LOCALIZER", you old farts the lot of ya. The trenches these days are different, you don't get it.

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:27 pm

Yes .. thats my real name ..

Sorry if i was misconstrued there .. i mean your normal username not your "real name" .. don't be silly .. or a smartass! ..

.. What i meant was if you already have a name on here use it don't make a new profile cuz you wanna say something but hide your "online identity" .. (i believe some people are doing that .. if not so be it .. )

bartbandy .. Im not telling people to use there real names .. incase I needed to summarize that again for you ..

TROWL · Post by **TROWL** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:00 am

Localizer:

Consider the perspective of the Skyward staff. There is little doubt that management is reading these posts. It is somewhat likely that a few people from Skyward know the nicks used by a few of their staff. We know that the staff is on a 48 hour call-back.

Now consider: Staff posts info using regular nick. Company finds out. BAD CAREER MOVE.
Staff uses sock-puppet and posts. Likelyhood of retribution from Skyward is at a minimum.

Localizer, sunshine, you may be protected at Air Canada by about 2 hundred thousand unions, but for the staff at Skyward, they're on their own. If the mods have a problem with posters here, I'm sure they'll let them know.

Nobody here is asking you, localizer, to come out of the closet and admit you admire Michael Jackson's taste in children. You have no right to ask Skyward staff to 'out themselves'.

Go Guns · Post by **Go Guns** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:14 am

I've never once seen the mayor out here @ Skyward. So that pretty much kills the free flight theory. Nobody once to see an employer the size of Skyward shut down in their community. I think that's where his motives lie.

Aside from that. All I'm going to say, as a Skyward employee, is that there hasn't been a whole lot of fact on this thread. Hopefully, within the next few days, things will be looking up.

Cheers

TROWL · Post by **TROWL** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:28 am

Thompsonav8rboy:

Is Skyward able to get their OC back before the 30days?

bandaid · Post by **bandaid** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:59 am

I bet you're going to have to wait and see like the rest of us

Schlem · Post by **Schlem** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:04 am

cpt sweet'njuicy wrote:
I hear now that Skyward has gottten rid of their maintenance staff...all but one and now the question is...how can you fix broken birds without dirty fingernails around to do it....

I heard that along with their OC they also lost their AMO which means the engineers can't touch their own birds.

TROWL · Post by **TROWL** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:11 am

IMHO, if even 50% of the info in this thread is ture, were I a Skywardian, I'd be shooting out resume's faster than a Humvee's 50 cal shoots lead.

godsrcrazy · Post by **godsrcrazy** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:25 am

Localizer maybe you do not understand that hidding behind a new name is what people like to do on this forum anytime they have s### to sling. If you have fact and work there I would agree with changing your name to say it. How ever most people just want to sling s###. The chances are people changing there names do not even work at Skyward.

Here's my 2 cents about TC. Yes they have there far share of dicks. Who doesn't ??? just read some of the crap on this forum. It amases me that when TC shut's somebody down or try and do there job they are slammed. I wonder how many people on this forum hide behind TC when they are pissed with there employer. Come on already lets cut these guys and gals a little slack. Not all of them hide in a room and plot how to screw industry. An audit team usually consists of people from all over TC to try and keep things fair. It would sure be nice to have some facts here before we hang TC for trying to do there job. Maybe they shut them down for Bad Training, Bad Maintenance, Bad books etc etc. I don't beleive they huddled in a room and said lets screw Skyward there must be something here.

For all you Skyward employees keep your head up. I personaly hope to see you all in the air again soon. Best of Luck to you

T.C shuts part of Skyward down

PAG and TC