Skyward

sure as shit · Post by **sure as shit** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:57 am

HEY SWEETY AND JERKEY...........

If you are making so much bloody money then why in the hell did you run away and cower in the hangar after evasive manuevers failed to pay the enforcer at TC a lousy 250 bucks??? How long did you hide now was it 2 months?

I really don't think you take home more than the average Micki Dees assistant french fry supervisor.

Anyways, better bank some of that huge coin so you can pay up the next time you screw up.

sincerely,
your shadow

MaxPower · Post by **MaxPower** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:50 am

Must be one hell of a big shadow

momz · Post by **momz** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:46 pm

To all remaining employees at Skyward--keep plugging along--there are some of us on the fringes who think it must be hard on the ones left behind. Everyone on this thread has carped about being laid off or about the BIG GREEN MACHINE--the only real green is in Ireland to be sure--but back to the original thought--sometimes being left behind is harder than going--so again my kudo's to all Skyward Staff in YWG & YTH and elsewhere--our thoughts are with you

mister mofo · Post by **mister mofo** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:31 pm

Quote: I really don't think you take home more than the average Micki Dees assistant french fry supervisor

How much do they make, anyway? If it's 55 Gs +, then you're right.
(They really work for that money though.)

I'm really sick of this "transport was out to get us" conspiracy.

Skyward was fucking dangerous, for a really long time. It's true. Ask anyone who worked there. They got what they deserved, and if you're an ex-skyward guy working somewhere else now, let it be a lesson learned. Transport wasn't out to get Skyward, they're out to get dangerous companies. If you're making a living in the "grey" areas of the law, you're not doing your company any favours. Just do it by the book, guys.

jabber · Post by **jabber** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:23 pm

mister mofo wrote:Quote:

Skyward was fucking dangerous, for a really long time.

I like how the only people who say Skyward was dangerous is all the Perimeter guys cause they are totally in the know of everything that goes on at Skyward, more so than Skyward pilots apparently.

Flytoy · Post by **Flytoy** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:00 pm

Hey Mofo

If you did not work at Skyward then those type of comments simply useless and without merit.

Jr.wrench · Post by **Jr.wrench** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:37 pm

it's.... over.

ei ei owe · Post by **ei ei owe** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:25 am

Shit Wrench Jr, you're just a one line wonder aren't you. Do you and Corporate Calendar keep tabs on the lame shit you post on the SKyward thread?

mister mofo · Post by **mister mofo** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:12 am

Toy & Noob

Somone at TC thinks I'm right. I speak with ex-skyward guys regularily. I've heard it directly from the horse's mouth. Planes poorly maitenanced, if at all. Phone calls to people at home bullying them to fly in bad weather... Pilots taking off over gross on the short runway at YTH, barely able to climb. I think there is some merit here. How many times did I watch a Skyward guy follow me into ZGI and leave right away while I'm still de-icing? They didn't get shut down for nothing.

salsa dancer · Post by **salsa dancer** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:05 pm

To all Skyward staff good luck--management sure didn't hear the lowly employees--sometimes what goes around comes around--and this is now the full circle--let see what shows up after this--seem a little strange how quick everything got sold, etc--was this always the plan???who knows
Any way take care of yourself each and everyone--all I can say is that the employees at Skyward are some of the best people you could find--to bad the rest of the Company couldn't seem to hear/see or feel that what was being said to them--they simply didn't wnt to--the selective hearing was a privilege for only a few--not the real people who really did the work and now are suffering the most because of someone elses ears only being used to hear a chosen a few some who are still yelling with a whisper of ideas right or wrong

big boeing · Post by **big boeing** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:53 am

Fred Petrie, executive director of the Manitoba Aviation Council, said Skyward was always a strong member of the council. "Everything I knew about Skyward is that it was a well-run company that provided a very good service that was around for a long time," Petrie said. "They were as honourable as you could find in business."

This quote is a typical example of really not knowing how ignorant a person really is until he opens his mouth and proves it.
Skyward were a lousy employer and deserve everything they get. ( sorry employees ). Word is there were over 60 violations that were discovered , I guess you could say that they "were well run", but not well enough, cause Transport finally caught them. now Fred, how honourable is that.

737captain · Post by **737captain** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:58 am

And you definately proved it!

highlander · Post by **highlander** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:29 pm

Big Boeing

You seem to be in the know. Fair enough. 60 audit findings means nothing. Especially when one of them is that your DG cetificates don't say "expires on" not "expires"... Technically it's a violation, but dangerous.......come on. We can get picky here if you want. Where Skyward went wrong was with the accounting and books. Not to mention bad leadership in maintenance.

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:00 am

I doubt TC would give 2 shits about their accounting practices... and there's no way that they'd have lost their OC for so long for a few or even a few dozen minor wording problems in their books. Something big must have been found, because I've never heard of TC doing this to any small operator without having a bunch of body bags spurring them on...

ScudRunner · Post by **ScudRunner** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:28 am

I do know a few folks that flew there and I can honestly say that non of them brought up any real safety concerns with me, not that I asked or really cared. I heard mostly the same whining BS about low Pay/ Flying / My kneepads are worn out. You know the normal shit.

Anyway I just read this thread right through. The funniest is people swinging their dicks around about how they know whats going on and heard this and that and "your full of shit" then get into a pissing match over how rightous they are.

very Entertaining non the less but such a shity backdrop. Zip your flies up boys and get in the pogey line.

Welcome to Aviation

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:00 am

well, I have a good friend who was working there, and he told me that no one knew a damn thing... so how could you have heard if there were problems?

Cleared to FL370 · Post by **Cleared to FL370** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 8:20 pm

April 1, 2005..
Certainly a sad sad day.

First off to the pilots and rampies at Skyward I'm very sorry to hear that you guys are out of work. We can say what we like about the company, but the tragedy of it all is that there are more pilots out on the street. Hang in their guys I'm sure something will work out for you in the future.

Kudo's to Perimeter to give some ex K9 guys preferential hiring, a very classy move on their part.

In the late 90's their were not too many company's out there where a guy/gal could go from swamping to Captain on a turbine twin in 2 to 2 1/2 years. There was certainly alot of room to move up. I worked their when KO switched from DM to DFO and GM just started as the CP. Both guys looked after the pilots KO was always a pleasure to work with. Both had the most thankless job imaginable "middle Management" Both looked after the guys but also seperate the wheat from the chaff when needed. I can say my time with K9, looked great on a resume, arctic time, offstrip and the like my next employer even commented to me during the interview that it stood out in a pile of about 80 resumes. Sure the company had its faults every company does, I couldn't comment about K9 as of late or the removal of the AMO, OC but I would say Skyward shouldn't be the only one.

A credit to the company and the type of flying it did, many Skyward Allumnists are now working for: Air Canada (Mainline) Air Canada Jazz, Morningstar Air Express, Cathay Pacific, Emirates, West Jet and Jet Blue. Many Allumnists are now flying Medium or Heavy Jets including myself.

There were good times and bad, alot of great memories working with alot of other pilots and good friends. Lots of great time in the logbook and picture albums full of memories. Best wishes to GM for doing your best to look after the FCM's.

For all that it was here's to ex-Skyward employees and allumnists everywhere, best wishes to all.....
(Drink Beer Now)

Check Pilot · Post by **Check Pilot** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 8:41 pm

FL370 -

That was superbly said.

There were so many folks that had it together and were given opportunities and went on to later and better things. One of the best guys was the Chief Pilot. He was a prince of a guy and deserves all the rewards for a lot of years of hard work and dedication to his pilots. I know he will get my support in his future endeavours.

There is a thing with pilot's that's called respect. He earned it even in times of adversity.

He has mine.

inverter · Post by **inverter** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:00 pm

So Perimeter hired Skyward employees. They bought a bunch of property, right in Skyward territory. So is Perimeter being "classy" or would this be more like a political move?

. Come on folks, they want the pax thats it. Hate to burst your bubble, it's about money, bottom line and that is it. They are not hiring those poor bastards because they feel sorry. Cause if I understand it correctly, Perimeter didn't have a big operation there. So they might aswell hire people who already live there, and as an added bonus

get more pax/freight that way aswell.
Now I read that PAG bought all of this for 3 mill or so, and that they bought a bunch more planes too. Wouldn't surprise me that they overextended themselves and went belly up aswell if they keep this up. Not that their metro's don't deserve a rest. Rest In Peace that is. You can't tell me those planes are a dream to fly??? And where do they get their pilots from??? A magic metro pilot tree???

You need some experience to be captain I imagine. Atleast you do at my company. So with all this expanding are you guys upgrading f/o's to capt ahead of schedule?? hire outside?? And with the increase in flights that you have, the maintenance much be crazy.
Wanna know what my point is?? It is easy to bash a company, any company, but lets not forget that we dont work there, so our opinion is worth less than nothing.

Chantal · Post by **Chantal** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:30 pm

Everybody knows they're greedy b&#%@$, every air company should watch them and they better hurry and get a contract with pwgsc because government won't be able to do business with them anymore ha, ha

DeskDriver · Post by **DeskDriver** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:38 pm

Wait a second! A company is making decisions based on monetary factors? FORSHAME! They're not hireing pilots out of goodwill, but rather because there is an increased demand from passengers and the company wants to make money?? How horrific! Decisions like that might bring upon us a sustainable and profitable aviation industry. Call the feds!

Seriously folks, quit voting NDP, grow some balls, and learn about capatilism. It is a decent system.

scooterguy · Post by **scooterguy** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:56 pm

Inverter,

One thing that is definitely "inverted" is your head up your a$$! That post is pure BS! Perimeter doesn't have to even look at ex-Skyward's pilots. They could be wiping their asses with skyward resumes...like they do with yours! But they don't, why, because they actually give a $hit. I'm pretty sure that 99% of PAG's employees and managers really care about skywards employees. They probably could give two $hits about the company though. The purchases are definitely all about money. That's what well run companies base their decision making on dumb a$$.

So typical, a company expands, hires unemployed skyward folks, and gets $hit on for it! Where's your logic??? Just goes to show, no matter how much class an airline tries to show, idiots like you will still come on sites like this and bash everyone behind your keyboard! I know the CP at PAG. I've worked with him. I'll assure you that he won't need to rush anyone's upgrade...seeing as half of their FO's have been in the right seat for years by now. Your brilliant idea of hiring outside is another example of your stupidity. The worst pilots who have come and gone through PAG were direct entry captains. Why don't you save yourself the embarassment and post your verbal diarhhea somewhere else!

737captain · Post by **737captain** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:57 pm

I agree with Inverter, your opinion IS worth less than nothing!

centerstored · Post by **centerstored** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 6:23 pm

Inverter I thought that it would have been Sweet and Juiced that would have torn you a new one! Guess an exPAG guy stepped up to the plate. 737, there's no denying it, that post inverter made was garbage. I mean what possible political move could be made by hiring ex skyward pilots? Like PAG is going to sell more seats or move more cargo because they took on some unemployed pilots? PAG hires and promotes from the inside. They definately proved that direct entry hires can be a challenge.

DeskDriver · Post by **DeskDriver** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 7:08 pm

scooterguy wrote:Inverter,

That post is pure BS! Perimeter doesn't have to even look at ex-Skyward's pilots. They could be wiping their asses with skyward resumes...like they do with yours!

Come now Scooterguy, use your your words.

But they don't, why, because they actually give a $hit.

Okay, don't use your words.

I'm pretty sure that 99% of PAG's employees and managers really care about skywards employees.

Just how many managers do they have?

They probably could give two $hits about the company though.

They've been taking Fiber. Otherwise they could only give one shit.

The purchases are definitely all about money. That's what well run companies base their decision making on dumb a$$.

I really wish there was a comma there. Sadly, Mr. Scooter thinks there's someone named Dumbass which makes decisions for companies. He must be a consultant. I wonder if he's related to "The Man".

So typical, a company expands, hires unemployed skyward folks, and gets $hit on for it Where's your logic???

Likely lost in your profound reason. One might question just how many times Skyward is going to go out of business. I agree with you, though, this may be a cycle.

Just goes to show, no matter how much class an airline tries to show, (ed. note. Skyward showed class?) idiots like you will still come on sites like this and bash everyone behind your keyboard!

As opposed to masturbating on their keyboards. Scooter, isopropal alcohol is better than sodium laureth sulphate.

I know the CP at PAG.

I met a guy named Bob. He bought me a beer.

I've worked with him.

"worked" is that a euphamism?

I'll assure you that he won't need to rush anyone's upgrade...seeing as half of their FO's have been in the right seat for years by now.

That is certainly a euphamism

Your brilliant idea of hiring outside is another example of your stupidity.

Unlike your brilliant ideas.
Wait a sec...

The worst pilots who have come and gone through PAG were direct entry captains.

Who do not use lube.

Why don't you save yourself the embarassment and post your verbal diarhhea somewhere else!

Instead of Mr. Scooter... I'm still cleaing his off my screen.

Skyward

What a joke