Ice Pilots of NWT Series on History Channel this Fall!

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[Rubberbiscuit]

just wasted another hour of my time watching this over-dramatized reality bullshit. i'd rather put hot pins in my eyes then watch these piston pounders put on another "oh my god" moment. Makes the industry look bad.

MAG FAILING.... WING DESTRUCTION IMMINENT!!!!! Can't feather! Positive Rate impossible!
ATC: Want to declare?
<Capt and F/O lock eyes for a tick, looking death in the eyes>
CAPT: Nah we'll just take priority sequencing.



hahahahaha civilian trained pilots rule the planet. I hope no students watch this show.

A: If you haven't been north of Vaughan, please restrain yourself from commenting on Northern/Arctic operations.

B: The C46 will not climb with one engine windmilling (failled but not feathered). Nor will it climb with one engine failled and feathered if you are at gross weight unless the environment on your side (close to sea level and cold).

c: I'd like to see you heroes follow the SOPs verbatum in a real emergency situation (2 crew).

[chesty]

where's the almighty "cat driver" when we need him? I'm sure he could to it! (blindfolded)

[RVR6000]

Anyone know how many pilots Buffalo employs.

[N181CS]

with 49 planes on reg. I Wonder how many are flyable? 15 dc 4s and 10 dc 3s 7 ducks........

[raven54]

For everyone who hasn't worked in the north...you don't have to be some super hero piercing eyes nerves of steel pilot to do it. Yeah, it's cold, and dark..and etc. Whop-de-do, every job has challenges I'm sure. I've froze my ass off plenty of times in the high arctic, but here I am typing with all my fingers intact. Weird.

[matt777]

Wow, some people really surprise me around here! Guys, its not a show put on by COPA or the FAA or some other aviation body. It's on the history channel, along with Ice Truckers and Ax Men, it has to be made dramatic. If its not dramatic, who is going to watch it? Pretty much the only audience is aviation enthusiasts and thats not great ratings. So if you don't like that little fact then don't watch it, do something better with your time than coming on here and ripping into the show!

I really don't know what you guys expected it to be. I don't care if its dramatic, there are some great shots of the old Warbirds and who knows how long they're gonna be around. So they didn't declare an emergency when they probably should have - screw it! It's entertaining.

[jspitfire]

with 49 planes on reg. I Wonder how many are flyable? 15 dc 4s and 10 dc 3s 7 ducks........

Buffalo has a lot of aircraft that still carry an active reg but are far from being flyable. I wandered the field in Hay River last summer, there were 8 DC-4s there, 3 were operational. However, a couple of the other ones looked pretty close, and if you put some of their parts back they might still have some life left in them!

[PistonPounder2800]

WOW well said Matt777. We have had lots of talks about when to declare an emergency. In that situation they had a rough running engine but a safe approach was possible, then engine wasn't windmilling, they just elected not to shut it down so it was still producing power. If they had 300 pax on board and it was a company policy to declare an emergency for any stressful landing then I'm sure they would have. The problem was that Yellowknife is still a small town and it would probably make the newspaper and then you have to deal with Joe.

[godsrcrazy]

Why bother declaring an emergency for this. If you can get priority. All declaring an emergency does is brings out all the emergency equipment available, press and oh ya don't forget the load of paper work that goes with it. Everyone that flies anything that has more then 1 engine trains for losing 1 engine. What's the big deal. Every takeoff in a C-46 could be considered an emergency if you lose 1 with gross weight just after vr you better have some were to go real quick.

[alpha1]

Wow, some people really surprise me around here! Guys, its not a show put on by COPA or the FAA or some other aviation body. It's on the history channel, along with Ice Truckers and Ax Men, it has to be made dramatic. If its not dramatic, who is going to watch it? Pretty much the only audience is aviation enthusiasts and thats not great ratings. So if you don't like that little fact then don't watch it, do something better with your time than coming on here and ripping into the show!

I really don't know what you guys expected it to be. I don't care if its dramatic, there are some great shots of the old Warbirds and who knows how long they're gonna be around. So they didn't declare an emergency when they probably should have - screw it! It's entertaining.

Well said matt777.......its a TV SHOW!!!! it's not a transport canada safety seminar..but apparently it IS catnip to aviation geeks who like to criticize and belittle.....

Here's a news flash....World's Deadliest Catch might not actually be the world's deadliest catch...OMG!!! who knew?!?!

[mattedfred]

Why bother declaring an emergency for this. If you can get priority. All declaring an emergency does is brings out all the emergency equipment available, press and oh ya don't forget the load of paper work that goes with it. Everyone that flies anything that has more then 1 engine trains for losing 1 engine. What's the big deal. Every takeoff in a C-46 could be considered an emergency if you lose 1 with gross weight just after vr you better have some were to go real quick.

i can understand why you think this was a good call after they landed safely

i, for one, would rather have the trucks a little closer by if my descent from MDA had not worked out as well as theirs did

but that's just me

[Lurch]

A: If you haven't been north of Vaughan, please restrain yourself from commenting on Northern/Arctic operations.

I had to google that one

If I live north of Vaughan but never flown north of Hay River do I get to comment on Northern Operations

Lurch

[godsrcrazy]

Why bother declaring an emergency for this. If you can get priority. All declaring an emergency does is brings out all the emergency equipment available, press and oh ya don't forget the load of paper work that goes with it. Everyone that flies anything that has more then 1 engine trains for losing 1 engine. What's the big deal. Every takeoff in a C-46 could be considered an emergency if you lose 1 with gross weight just after vr you better have some were to go real quick.

i can understand why you think this was a good call after they landed safely

i, for one, would rather have the trucks a little closer by if my descent from MDA had not worked out as well as theirs did

but that's just me

Maybe things have changed since i last flew in Yellowknife. Unless you roll it up in a ball on the runway emergency vehicles won't do you a lot of good. Last time i was there the airport was surrounded by water and bush and swamps.

[MrWings]

The problem was that Yellowknife is still a small town and it would probably make the newspaper and then you have to deal with Joe.

Wow. That is exactly the negative pressure from management that TC should be cracking down on.

One of these times there, will be a disasterous situation that could have been mitigated but wasn't because the crew was too scared of owner reprisal to declare an emergency.

[mattedfred]

Why bother declaring an emergency for this. If you can get priority. All declaring an emergency does is brings out all the emergency equipment available, press and oh ya don't forget the load of paper work that goes with it. Everyone that flies anything that has more then 1 engine trains for losing 1 engine. What's the big deal. Every takeoff in a C-46 could be considered an emergency if you lose 1 with gross weight just after vr you better have some were to go real quick.

i can understand why you think this was a good call after they landed safely

i, for one, would rather have the trucks a little closer by if my descent from MDA had not worked out as well as theirs did

but that's just me

Maybe things have changed since i last flew in Yellowknife. Unless you roll it up in a ball on the runway emergency vehicles won't do you a lot of good. Last time i was there the airport was surrounded by water and bush and swamps.

but they would if your crash sight was within the airport environment. i can't believe you are actually arguing against this.

"i didn't declare an emergency because i thought it would take too long for the trucks to come anyway. i asked for the trucks after we crashed though. man they sure took a long time. i wonder what i could have done differently?"

[niss]

A: If you haven't been north of Vaughan, please restrain yourself from commenting on Northern/Arctic operations.

I actually LIVE north of Vaughan! I am therefor now the ultimate authority on Arctic Ops.

[Rubberbiscuit]

A: If you haven't been north of Vaughan, please restrain yourself from commenting on Northern/Arctic operations.

I had to google that one

If I live north of Vaughan but never flown north of Hay River do I get to comment on Northern Operations

Lurch

Ok, I was probably being a bit harsh and apologize if I insulted anyone. However, I did spend many years in the North and several of them in a similar operation. I learned enough to know that although this show is dramatized through editing etc the show is bang on. Winterops up there means alot of hours of prepping and maintaining for every hour logged. If anyone thinks it looks scary walking the wing with a broom I can confirm that it is. Especially on the C-46 where there is a fair bit of incline when on the ground. Have fallen off a frost covered wing a couple of times crawling out there on all four to fuel or oil on a winter morning! Not saying you have to be a hero, but it is not for everyone. Have seen many a pilot or rampie quit before the first day was over.

Yes they dramatized the moment wher they looked each other in the eyes, but that is what anyone would do, isn't it? Body language is a big part of communicating whether you are aware of it or not.

[godsrcrazy]

i can understand why you think this was a good call after they landed safely

i, for one, would rather have the trucks a little closer by if my descent from MDA had not worked out as well as theirs did

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Maybe things have changed since i last flew in Yellowknife. Unless you roll it up in a ball on the runway emergency vehicles won't do you a lot of good. Last time i was there the airport was surrounded by water and bush and swamps.[/quote]


There are those that every time they get a red light on the dash they declare and them that declare when they believe they have their hands full. Your right i can't believe i am arguing this with you. Each to their own

So what you are saying is if you came into Yellowknife after everyone goes home because all the passenger aircraft have landed and you had 1 out. You would declare an emergency circle around at what ever altitude you can hold until all emergency response equipment is in place.

As far as not declaring because you are worried about what Joe would say is just spineless BS. Those that a worried about that need to get a back bone.

but they would if your crash sight was within the airport environment. i can't believe you are actually arguing against this.

"i didn't declare an emergency because i thought it would take too long for the trucks to come anyway. i asked for the trucks after we crashed though. man they sure took a long time. i wonder what i could have done differently?"[/quote]

[HS-748 2A]

It's all a bunch of hype you guys.

I worked around those type piston pounders early in my carreer and engine failures, shutdowns and even the occaisional "hey, this thing won't feather" were happening monthly, if not weekly.

It's not a big deal. Radials almost always give lots of warning. The guys tend to expect the worst and plan for it; and hey, they know how to fly.

These aren't push-button airplanes and real hands and feet + common sense go a long ways.

I don't think any of Buffalo's guys are going to miss Rea-Edzo by 150 miles while they Twitter on their laptops.

They're not going to declare an emergency every time one of these things hicups. They're used to it and know what they're doing.

That's all I'm saying.

[Rudder Bug]

For everyone who hasn't worked in the north...you don't have to be some super hero piercing eyes nerves of steel pilot to do it. Yeah, it's cold, and dark..and etc. Whop-de-do, every job has challenges I'm sure. I've froze my ass off plenty of times in the high arctic, but here I am typing with all my fingers intact. Weird.

Well said Raven, that's exactly what it is!

Hope all is well with you my friend.

Gilles

[niss]

Yes they dramatized the moment wher they looked each other in the eyes, but that is what anyone would do, isn't it? Body language is a big part of communicating whether you are aware of it or not.

You could cut the sexual tension on that flight deck with a knife.

[PistonPounder2800]

As far as not declaring because you are worried about what Joe would say is just spineless BS. Those that a worried about that need to get a back bone. Quote

They're not going to declare an emergency every time one of these things hicups. They're used to it and know what they're doing. Quote

Okay take it easy godsrcrazy, you have to give me the benefit of the doubt that I have a point. Making a judgement call isn't spineless, it wasn't an emergency situation so why over dramatize. On tv of course they're going to make it as dramatic as possible but when it actually happened having the emergency crews on hand wasn't necessary.

[KAG]

You can still get priority and CFR while not declaring an emergency... and it saves paperwork.

[ourkid2000]

I was so curious about that feather problem, I had to break out the old books after watching the show. I am pretty sure (not 100%) that it has the Hamilton Standard 3 bladed prop on that C-46.

From what I remember in class was that this prop is electrically feathered no? If it won't feather by pushing & holding the Prop feather switch, you most likely have an electrical problem to the aux pump.

Anyone else have any idea?