CUPE serves strike notice for Oct 13, 2011

[55+]

During my time at the Country's Air Nav service provider, middle/lower management types were always in difficult positions in dealing with employees and next mgt levels. I always sympathized with them(lower levels and never gave them a hard time. I was offered a few lower mgt jobs but "no thanks".Turn over is high soI was told especially section worked(AIS)

[System Message]

Here is a solution to the madness. This could be the sort of thing citizens demand of their elected representatives.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/com ... ull.column

[Rockie]

Do you advocate eliminating the right to strike for all employees or just public sector ones as in this article?

How would you then deal with a case like the Nova Scotia nurses who resigned enmasse after being legislated back to work?

How would you deal with a general strike like what's happening in Greece right now where legal right or not people just walk off the job because they're fed up?

Presumably you have answers for these questions when the controlled, small scale and temporary withdrawal of services is no longer legal. Can't wait to hear it.

[System Message]

It sounds like Rockie skimmed over the headlines and made assumptions over the content of the article. At this point I don't need to advocate for anything but for the Canadian Union Of Public Employees to cease its subversive activities which have no relevance to the work of its members. Thirty years ago public employees had a smaller salary than most private business but had more stability in return. Now the unions have demanded more than private business can earn resulting in a economic death spiral where a government job is necessary to keep up. Out of control spending and borrowing with no possibility of repayment to foreign lenders kills entire country's.

[Rockie]

At this point I don't need to advocate for anything but for the Canadian Union Of Public Employees to cease its subversive activities which have no relevance to the work of its members.

Could you please explain how legally representing private company employees (or public for that matter) is subversive? Could you also please explain how those same employees voting to exercise their legal right to strike is subversive?

[System Message]

The subversive activities are from the unions own political action page. You can decide for yourself which activities have no bearing on the work related negotiations of its members. Exercising a vote to strike is not subversive, not by me or anyone I know. Can you explain why a private business is represented by a union of public employees?

[DrBoeing]

The subversive activities are from the unions own political action page. You can decide for yourself which activities have no bearing on the work related negotiations of its members. Exercising a vote to strike is not subversive, not by me or anyone I know. Can you explain why a private business is represented by a union of public employees?

That is a beef you will have to take up with the CIRB. They were the bargaining agent when AC was a crown corp, so when AC was privatized they remained the agent, so again, take up your concern with the CIRB, oh and good luck with that!
So now my question to you, how can a private company be deemed an essential service?

[Rockie]

Can you explain why a private business is represented by a union of public employees?

CUPE is just a union like any other and can represent anybody who wants them to, but if that blows your mind you probably don't want to know that the Canadian Auto Workers represent the ticket agents. You still haven't told me what's subversive about them. (hint: look up the definition of the word).

[System Message]

Should it be called sedition?

[Rockie]

Should it be called sedition?

What is seditious about CUPE?

[Cookie.Quan]

If people like this are going to throw sh** I may as well jump in too. I understand a lot of people don't act like this but for the ones that do, this is for you.
As qouted by Tony,

Nobody is forcing them to stay. Take their skill set and head to the nearest coffee shop. Life is much better there. Pension and all.

..who seems to believe that all FA's are bunch of uneducated, useless individuals may I remind him and many others that they are not so educated themselves. Majority of pilots working today only have a high school education and a pilot's license. Going to community college and becoming a pilot should not count as post-secondary education. You are a captive workforce who is only able to work in a small sector in the aviation industry. May I state you are not a medical doctor, you are not a lawyer, you are not an accountant, and you are not a teacher. You have absolutely no skill that can be used beyond a cockpit. So when it comes time for contract negotiations you have no choice but to accept a pay cut because you have no other skill you can offer. You have no job to go to that will provide with a good quality of living. A lot of the FA's did go to university and achieved a degree which I know trumps anything people like you have accomplished. For a lot of these FA's they do the job because they enjoy it, not because it is the only thing they can do. So Tony, if you ever get laid off, or loose your medical, maybe you should get your resume ready for the coffee shops. I hear the benefits are great!

[lawndart]

So Tony, if you ever get laid off, or loose your medical, maybe you should get your resume ready for the coffee shops. I hear the benefits are great!

Note to self: use spell check on coffee shop resume.....

[Cookie.Quan]

So Tony, if you ever get laid off, or loose your medical, maybe you should get your resume ready for the coffee shops. I hear the benefits are great!

Note to self: use spell check on coffee shop resume.....

Hey lawndart, double double!

[Rockie]

"Loose" is an actual word and won't be picked up by spell check. Also criticizing people on this forum for their spelling is a pastime bound to backfire at some point. Some of the most thoughtful people I know are lousy spellers for a myriad of reasons.

[duranium]

Hum.... interesting concept of serving notice to strike when the Labour Minister has said in so many words that a strike is OUT OF THE QUESTION, VERBOTEN. One does not nead to be a rocket scientist ( and generaly speaking, AC F/As are not ) that it is not going to happen and that this is posturing, clear and simple.

Now, any bets out there on how fast they are going to fold ? My bet is as fast as a house of cards in a good breeze.

Note to pilots: learn a lesson regarding what is about to happen.

TOLD YOU SO


Now, you AC pilots out there, have you learned anything or are you about to be also hammered into the ground, sort of speak

[Rockie]

Hum.... interesting concept of serving notice to strike when the Labour Minister has said in so many words that a strike is OUT OF THE QUESTION, VERBOTEN. One does not nead to be a rocket scientist ( and generaly speaking, AC F/As are not ) that it is not going to happen and that this is posturing, clear and simple.

Now, any bets out there on how fast they are going to fold ? My bet is as fast as a house of cards in a good breeze.

Note to pilots: learn a lesson regarding what is about to happen.

TOLD YOU SO


Now, you AC pilots out there, have you learned anything or are you about to be also hammered into the ground, sort of speak

"Told you so" what? To their credit the FA's did not fold, they were railroaded by the government and fought them every step of the way. It'll be the pilots that fold because they won't even bother holding a strike vote is my guess. I hope I'm wrong.

[yycflyguy]

Hum.... interesting concept of serving notice to strike when the Labour Minister has said in so many words that a strike is OUT OF THE QUESTION, VERBOTEN. One does not nead to be a rocket scientist ( and generaly speaking, AC F/As are not ) that it is not going to happen and that this is posturing, clear and simple.

Now, any bets out there on how fast they are going to fold ? My bet is as fast as a house of cards in a good breeze.

Note to pilots: learn a lesson regarding what is about to happen.

TOLD YOU SO


Now, you AC pilots out there, have you learned anything or are you about to be also hammered into the ground, sort of speak

"Told you so" what? To their credit the FA's did not fold, they were railroaded by the government and fought them every step of the way. It'll be the pilots that fold because they won't even bother holding a strike vote is my guess. I hope I'm wrong.

They agreed to arbitration when it was not necessary. They did not force the government/company's hand and were basically handed their second TA. Looks like they folded from where I sit.

Work to rule would have been more effective than the threat of a strike... but that is hard to do when they are all falling over each other to get their 100 hours in and extending duty periods to get their draft pay. In that sense, they are similar to pilots continually offering M/U, accepting drafts and extending duty periods.

[Rockie]

They agreed to arbitration when it was not necessary. They did not force the government/company's hand and were basically handed their second TA. Looks like they folded from where I sit.

The FA's were never, at any time, in control and you know it. All they could do was use every tool at their disposal which from where I sit they did. They were prepared to walk...twice...and were prevented by the government each time. They did everything they could and they DID NOT at any time accept their rights being stolen from them by the government.

Let's see if the pilots defend their own rights as vigorously.

[DrBoeing]

They agreed to arbitration when it was not necessary. They did not force the government/company's hand and were basically handed their second TA. Looks like they folded from where I sit.

The FA's were never, at any time, in control and you know it. All they could do was use every tool at their disposal which from where I sit they did. They were prepared to walk...twice...and were prevented by the government each time. They did everything they could and they DID NOT at any time accept their rights being stolen from them by the government.

Let's see if the pilots defend their own rights as vigorously.

This tactic is now going to be the benchmark for all groups.
All the unions should now do is ask for pie in the sky demands and do not back down. This way you stand a better chance in front of an arbitrator as this will be what ends up happening.

[Rockie]

This tactic is now going to be the benchmark for all groups.

No question. With this government that is plainly obvious. But the right to strike is still written in Canadian labour Law (for now anyway), and if a union chooses not to use it just because the government will in the end prevent them from actually striking we might as well give up the right forever. Which is what the Conservatives would love to happen I'm sure.

[whipline]

I agree with Rockie completely. The FA's were force fed their new contract by the government, as was the CAW as was the postal workers. If the conservatives don't want to let unions bargain in good faith with the tools set out by law then they should (tax payers) pay for it.

And to think I actually voted conservative last election. They just took labour rights back 60 yrs for EVERY Canadian. Last time that happens.