Saxon YVR 737NG ad

[Troubleshot]

oh man lol you are absolutely lost now....this is great! keep going ! Just swallow your pride and say you have no idea what I'm talking about...I would respect that, honestly I would.

just humor me and explain "both panels"

[NeverBlue]

FCP

HPP

[ourkid2000]

I'm offended you'd think I'm so naive.

You're in TS's camp, you only show up when he and I are going at it and take his side. That's the only time I hear from you...what else would I think?

...and what changed your mind yesterday? That I won't answer a question that TS is trying to ask? I did.

I will admit that I do take his side, however, I share his point of view as his experiences have been quite similar to mine. Unlike me, he's managed to get out of the business and discovered very quickly that there are opportunities for under valued AME's to actually make the kind of money we should be making already. I find this interesting and somewhat inspiring, despite his methods (anyone who knows him will know he's a hothead, there's no doubt.....lol). Conversely, the experiences you describe for yourself, to me, honestly sound like they're coming from another planet and I cannot think of another instance where someone I know has a gig similar to what you say you have. In "our world", it just does not exist and things are getting worse not better. Not even my current company's director level management gets what you get.

And what changed my mind? Have you given any thought at all about what you have written on here over the past few days? Anyone with a brain who looks at what you have posted here will think you are either 1. A troll or 2. completely out to lunch. So with those two options as the only conclusions, you're not looking good.

[Troubleshot]

Ok so you are saying that if I asked you or any other AME to replace the hydraulic pump panel or the Flight control panel in the flight deck that they could subjectively look at that task as something that could require removing the head-pressure?

remember you brought up the flight deck panels, so I am just trying to see your rational on this road you are going down.

[Troubleshot]

Hothead!!! what??....touché Kid

I am a lot better now that I don't work nights anymore

[NeverBlue]

 Not even my current company's director level management gets what you get.

Kid, I make less than my CHC International buddies on tour.

I know for sure that the VP Langley, the avionics supervisor and the engineering supervisor at Vector Aerospace all make more than me and they're all AME E Graduates from BCIT.
I could go on and on.
...but if someone keeps telling you you're profession is worthless why bother even trying right? Just do what you keep doing and complain...


Thanks for giving everyone the two options...I didn't realize it was you who set them but thanks for that.

And please tell me what you think PR's whole reason was for starting this thread? Noble?

[ourkid2000]

LOL T/S....I do believe I remember a few U/S 737 brakes flying across the hangar floor at 4am. Good times though, those brakes had it coming.

In the most interesting threads on here we have two extremes with Pat on one side, and NB on the other. I have always enjoyed reading the exchanges between yourself and Pat because both of you are the utter extremes of this business. Usually I do not fully agree with Pat nor do I agree with you but hearing from the both of you I can find the middle ground that makes the most sense to me.

In this case, however, you're much better off if you keep quiet. Anyone who reads this thread will never take you serious again.

[NeverBlue]

Hothead???
...big surprise.

Ok I am tired now

What I am saying is that your questions can not be answered ... simply because of exactly the road we've gone down. They're subject to too many variables.

What is a Hydraulic system component defined as? You obviously think that the switches to turn the pumps in aren't. Or the cautions lights aren't.
I do.

You asked what I would do if the Windshield Heat caution light was on as if there was only one thing it could be that causes it...that's just stupid?

It's impossible to answer your questions with any kind confidence that the answer is correct in your eyes.
So I won't, with any kind of seriousness and I don't care what you or anyone else thinks about it.
It makes no difference to me what-so-ever.

I'll still go to work tomorrow and do my job as well as I ever have.

...and if you think that any flight line maintenance duties are difficult to learn as an AME you're messed.

The only thing that is hard about Aircraft Maintenance is dealing with people like you.

[Troubleshot]

10-4 thanks!

[Pat Richard]

Was my intent "noble"?

If by presenting and commenting on a shitty offer will cause difficulty for Saxon, or any other company, filling the position, then yeah. My hope is might cause a better offer to materialise, which hopefully can help AME's command better conditions, including not getting effed over on OT. Maybe a long shot, but I think its worth it and I think thats noble, if one actually is a wrenching AME. Not so much if you jerk off behind a desk.
WTF else would I be posting these things???
To engage an idiot(s) over the internet who dont care what they make as long as they can fondle airplanes??

Unreal.

[DonutHole]

 Not even my current company's director level management gets what you get.

Kid, I make less than my CHC International buddies on tour.

I know for sure that the VP Langley, the avionics supervisor and the engineering supervisor at Vector Aerospace all make more than me and they're all AME E Graduates from BCIT.
I could go on and on.
...but if someone keeps telling you you're profession is worthless why bother even trying right? Just do what you keep doing and complain...


Thanks for giving everyone the two options...I didn't realize it was you who set them but thanks for that.

And please tell me what you think PR's whole reason was for starting this thread? Noble?

It would be super helpful if you laid out some sort of road map. So far I see a lot of 60k a year in aviation mtc and not a lot of 100k

[NeverBlue]

Take a seminar.

Look for one that has "How to be successful" in the title.

...or switch to Avionics

[DonutHole]

I tried avionics... wasn't great at it. I can figure out snags given documentation and time but e is a different beast.

Short of starting all over again, what is your advice to m1, m2, and m1/2 guys who aren't e rated? I think that pretty much covers everybody else.

[Troubleshot]

Avionics is in demand given the advances in fly by wire etc...NDT I hear is a good gig not sure about the money to be honest. A lot of structures jobs out there if you like heavy maintenance environments.

[DonutHole]

I think in the long term I could pull avionics off. But the basic training for the e license is critical.

I know a few guys in qa who make decent cash. .. I'm thinking maybe going into work site safety or qa in some other industry

There are a lot of other compliance industries out there... aviation is a great setup for it, where do you find people already trained for a compliance industry short of lawyers, doctors, and engineers?

[ourkid2000]

I'm a licensed AME-E and I have not found that there is any more demand for E's than any of the others. In fact, the M2 license covers damn near everything that the E license does in most situations. Not that this is a good thing.

The good money and working conditions are behind the scenes. My advice to anyone currently in the industry is to get your license and as much training as you can find and then get the **** off the front lines or the hangar floor. Once you get that management experience, the world opens up for you.

[NeverBlue]

I can think of at least 4 avionics guys that I've seen come into the industry as apprentices and within 10 years were sitting in their office at home doing avionics engineering for companies all over North America and the world.

I know another who graduated from SAIT, worked in a couple of avionics shops for about 10 years. Started fixing flight simulators on the side, and now does just that out of his home on his terms full time.

Another I know from Vancouver always had a thing for the accident investigation gig and thought he'd use avionics as a path to get there. He's been doing just that for 15 years now.

Another does nothing but contract type training. All over the world and completely on his terms. He's got too much work to handle.


All of the above graduated from basic training, worked in the aircraft maintenance industry and got their license, are making six figures (except maybe for the TSB guy), and love what they do.

I know where you can get a job tomorrow fixing avionics on the bench for $ 80K if you have experience...but no M2 will help you there.

[DonutHole]

In my experience...

A good experienced up to date bench guy in any field is as hard to find as the bench you need to be capable of working him.

Bench seems to be going the way of the dodo... too bad, if I was going to start at the bottom the bench would be fun... 80K isn't enough for a good bench guy though

[chowda]

I'm thinking maybe going into work site safety or qa in some other industry

In oil and gas, a safety guy starts in the 70's + vehicle and other benefits. Once you start consulting, I was told its 150G+ easily.


I was directed to the following site

http://www.acsa-safety.org/page.php?s=2&p=17

[DonutHole]

Chowda. .. Thank you man

[chowda]

Your welcome and good luck.

[NeverBlue]

Bench seems to be going the way of the dodo...

Ok then...

Everyone told me that same thing in 1986

$38.50/hr is not enough to fix 30 and 40 year old technology, sitting at a bench, with no license required, no "signing out of aircraft", no night shift, no shift work at all, no grease or oil or hydraulic fluid, a nice coffee/lunch room with a tv, a nice desk with a nice computer, and you're not anyone's boss and no one is really your boss cause no one can do what you do........and NO M's TRYING TO BOSS YOU AROUND?

...keep looking

[DonutHole]

No doubt a lot of what you say is true.

But to a good bench guy the bench turns into his line. Also, bench work is production work, you can lose your shirt quite easily wasting time looking for serviceable pieces... how is a bench tech going to get a stores bitch to source a... any part they have never have heard of nor need to hear of ever again.

Bench work is sweet.. I still contend a good bench guy is worth more than 80K a year. Any bench guy worth his salt is going to be at the top end of the age scale, and it isn't 86 any longer... There is a huge role for e's to play... I just don't think the bench is it.

[NeverBlue]

good points.

I just don't think the bench is it.

someone has to do it

it's the way I used to get where I am...I don't do it anymore except to help out now and again.

how is a bench tech going to get a stores bitch to source a...

don't know what you mean by that. Transistors, Resistors, ICs and so on are all the same no matter where you get them and the manufactures will provide all of the specialty parts.

[ourkid2000]

See I don't get this....

I was laid off from my avionics position a few years ago and immediately hit the streets looking for a new job. I was offered 2 different bench jobs almost right away and tried to get on at another one but they were not hiring. I was surprised with what I found as I thought bench work, being so specialized, would offer a good wage.

The first offer was from L3 Communications. When I gave him my salary expectations, which was roughly what I was making pre-layoff (~60,000) the hiring manager actually laughed at me on the phone. He continued, benchwork at L3 would never pay that kind of money, no matter how much experience. The second offer was from Sikorsky and it was similar to L3's numbers and the benefits were surprisingly crappy (no pension). The final place, Atlantic Avionics were not hiring but during my discussions they mentioned that they were also paying around $24/hr.

In the end, I didn't take any of these jobs even though I really needed one. I felt I was doing myself a disservice so I kept looking.

All this talk of 80k for a bench guy seems a little off.