3 BA pilots died following their 2nd jab this last week

[StuckMike2]

I wonder if that is constitutional.
And I wonder if Those 200 nurses have a wrongful termination claim against that hospital.

[montado]

I completely agree that people should be free to go unvaccinated.

But they are not free to escape the consequences of that decision, whatever those consequences turn out to be.

There is a hospital in Texas that has just dismissed 200 nurses for refusing to be vaccinated. That’s just the start.

Do you get the flu shot every year? If not does this make you a freeloading piece of shit?

You make it seem like covid is the only risk in life.

The same people who believe anti maskers and anti vac people are killing everyone drive around with their phones out texting and driving.

At the individual level it is completely idiotic to feel so threatened by someone who doesn’t want a vaccine. What you should really be concerned about is the people in power. I would be concerned about a politician who pushed millions against vaccines if the science was not substantiated to discourage the use. Think of Brazil, think of trump, think of Trudeau and his miss steps. These are more of the concerning issues. At the individual level, really? You are going to get mad at an individual? Lol. If politicians were actually concerned about our health why are they playing politics. Maybe adjust your crosshairs to the real issue.

How is it the government always gets people where they want them? If we make the citizens hate each other they can direct all their anger at each other and our politicians can remain in power. We try to hold each other accountable instead of our politicians.

[photofly]

I completely agree that people should be free to go unvaccinated.

But they are not free to escape the consequences of that decision, whatever those consequences turn out to be.

There is a hospital in Texas that has just dismissed 200 nurses for refusing to be vaccinated. That’s just the start.

Do you get the flu shot every year? If not does this make you a freeloading piece of shit?

If a global influenza pandemic had lead to the situation in which we find ourselves, your analogy would have some merit.

[montado]

I completely agree that people should be free to go unvaccinated.

But they are not free to escape the consequences of that decision, whatever those consequences turn out to be.

There is a hospital in Texas that has just dismissed 200 nurses for refusing to be vaccinated. That’s just the start.

Do you get the flu shot every year? If not does this make you a freeloading piece of shit?

If a global influenza pandemic had lead to the situation in which we find ourselves, your analogy would have some merit.

What situation? A government induced lockdown? We could have all taken the Sweden approach and live with it. Every life matters, you could easily spread the flu to someone and cause their death. Thousands of Canadians die of the flu every year… yet you admit you are selfish and won’t do your part to minimize that… apparently, flu deaths don’t matter!

Why are people inconsistent?

Tell me something, do you believe in science? Even only 40 percent of Americans taking a vaccine for the flu thats 20 percent effective can save over 60k lives.

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news ... 00-lives#1

But you don’t follow science… you follow media hysteria and shout at people who don’t agree with the covid vaccine. Hmmm..you literally don’t practice what you preach. You are like the gay pastor pretending he is straight and condemning homosexuality to all the members. A true religious thinker we have here.

[pecessix]

I think people who refuse a vaccine are freeloading the benefits off those who do get vaccinated, and are therefore selfish sh*ts. I fully support their right to be selfish sh*ts, because we live in a free society. But that’s free as in freedom of choice, not freedom from consequences. I have no reluctance to sneer at them, look down my nose at them, or declare myself to be superior for not being a selfish sh*t. I don’t think I’m alone in that opinion. If the consequences of refusing to be vaccinated are unpleasant, inconvenient or expensive - I’m not even slightly sympathetic.

Personally, I think people who get vaccinated are freeloading the benefits off those who refuse a vaccine, and are therefore selfish sh*ts. I fully support their right to be selfish sh*ts, because we live in a free society. But that’s free as in freedom of choice, not freedom from consequences. I have no reluctance to sneer at them, look down my nose at them, or declare myself to be superior for not being a selfish sh*t. I don’t think I’m alone in that opinion. If the consequences of getting vaccinated are unpleasant, inconvenient or expensive - I’m not even slightly sympathetic.

[StuckMike2]

I think people who refuse a vaccine are freeloading the benefits off those who do get vaccinated, and are therefore selfish sh*ts. I fully support their right to be selfish sh*ts, because we live in a free society. But that’s free as in freedom of choice, not freedom from consequences. I have no reluctance to sneer at them, look down my nose at them, or declare myself to be superior for not being a selfish sh*t. I don’t think I’m alone in that opinion. If the consequences of refusing to be vaccinated are unpleasant, inconvenient or expensive - I’m not even slightly sympathetic.

Personally, I think people who get vaccinated are freeloading the benefits off those who refuse a vaccine, and are therefore selfish sh*ts. I fully support their right to be selfish sh*ts, because we live in a free society. But that’s free as in freedom of choice, not freedom from consequences. I have no reluctance to sneer at them, look down my nose at them, or declare myself to be superior for not being a selfish sh*t. I don’t think I’m alone in that opinion. If the consequences of getting vaccinated are unpleasant, inconvenient or expensive - I’m not even slightly sympathetic.

Nicely done.

[altiplano]

Why don't you refrain from being such a little bitch, get your dick out of your mouth, and go @#$! yourself.

LOL! That's more of a personal insult...

The funny thing is this guy (making an assumption here that it's a guy) is an AC captain, and he was complaining in January that Canada was lagging behind in vaccination because Trudeau had screwed up ordering them.

What's so funny?

He did screw up ordering them, and now the provinces are still screwing up in administering them. As I said, I'm not anti-vax, I'm just not interested right now based on the delivery and the changing landscapes.

And that last one was a good example of a personal insult, calling out people with fascist authoritarian leanings is not.

[altiplano]

I think people who refuse a vaccine are freeloading the benefits off those who do get vaccinated, and are therefore selfish sh*ts. I have no reluctance to sneer at them, look down my nose at them, or declare myself to be superior for not being a selfish sh*t. I don’t think I’m alone in that opinion. If the consequences of refusing to be vaccinated are unpleasant, inconvenient or expensive - I’m not even slightly sympathetic.

"I'm not an elitist."
photofly circa earlier today

[photofly]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I looked up a definition of elitist, and Google had this to say:

adjective: elitist
relating to or supporting the view that a society or system should be led by an elite.

I don’t support that view, and so I guess I’m not an elitist.

But I am still happy to sneer, look down my nose at, and consider myself superior to and better than anti-vaccine types, without a doubt. Not going to lie about it!

[altiplano]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I looked up a definition of elitist, and Google had this to say:

adjective: elitist
relating to or supporting the view that a society or system should be led by an elite.

I don’t support that view, and so I guess I’m not an elitist.

But I am still happy to sneer, look down my nose at, and consider myself superior to and better than anti-vaccine types, without a doubt. Not going to lie about it!

You believe you are superior and you look down your nose at those that don't align with you, you believe you should choose what they do, hire that live, where they go

Those are your words. It's text book.

demonstrating a superior attitude or behavior

[photofly]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I looked up a definition of elitist, and Google had this to say:

adjective: elitist
relating to or supporting the view that a society or system should be led by an elite.

I don’t support that view, and so I guess I’m not an elitist.

But I am still happy to sneer, look down my nose at, and consider myself superior to and better than anti-vaccine types, without a doubt. Not going to lie about it!

You believe you are superior and you look down your nose at those that don't align with you, you believe you should choose what they do, hire that live, where they go

Those are your words. It's text book.

demonstrating a superior attitude or behavior

Demonstrating a superior attitude or behaviour: well, quite: I am.

Look, It’s not about alignment. Its not about a lifestyle choice. It’s not about politics, or ability, or wealth, or any such thing. It’s about a free vaccine, which is a very simple choice.

So, if you don’t get a COVID vaccine then there may be restrictions on where you can go and what jobs you can hold. I will not be choosing that for you, you will be choosing that, based on the decisions of your government, and challengeable in court.

[altiplano]

Demonstrating a superior attitude or behaviour: well, quite: I am.

It's absolutely about alignment.

Align with my way of thinking - or else...

Align with my choice - or else...

Or else what?

I hope to see you lose your job,
I hope to see you lose your mobility,
I hope to see you restricted,
I hope to see you suffer.

Because you won't follow me without question.

Elitist. Fascist. Authoritarian.

But hey, you be you...

[photofly]

You absolutely have the right to choose not to be vaccinated. If you do make that choice, I truly hope none of those things happen to you.

But if they do, it’s on you.

[altiplano]

You absolutely have the right to choose not to be vaccinated. If you do make that choice, I truly hope none of those things happen to you.

But if they do, it’s on you.

Reread yourself. You support it and in fact wish for it...

[photofly]

I said those who do get vaccinated get to choose what restrictions are placed on people who choose not to be vaccinated. Not out of spite, but in order to prevent their selfish attitudes delaying a return to whatever normality those who do choose to be vaccinated can hope for. If restrictions are deemed to be necessary, then I will absolutely support them. My personal wishes don’t enter into it.

[montado]

I said those who do get vaccinated get to choose what restrictions are placed on people who choose not to be vaccinated. Not out of spite, but in order to prevent their selfish attitudes delaying a return to whatever normality those who do choose to be vaccinated can hope for. If restrictions are deemed to be necessary, then I will absolutely support them. My personal wishes don’t enter into it.

Incorrect. Everyone gets a vote. Those who are not vaccinated get an equal say.

[FL320]

I completely agree that people should be free to go unvaccinated.

But they are not free to escape the consequences of that decision, whatever those consequences turn out to be.

There is a hospital in Texas that has just dismissed 153 nurses for refusing to be vaccinated. That’s just the start.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nytimes ... e.amp.html

153 nurses dismissed the job for refusing to be vaccinated. They had the choice and had the balls to chose their right of freedom; but I hope they will sue the hospital and win the case because this is abusive.
I hope more will follow, good look finding new nurses and doctors! That may be a start but it won’t go too far anyway: that’s just a desperate manœuvre to scare more sheeps so they get vaccinated “just in case of”.

I said those who do get vaccinated get to choose what restrictions are placed on people who choose not to be vaccinated.

You’re clearly promoting fascism. Thousands of people died in the past because of this ideology. Altiplano is absolutely right: people like you are what's wrong in this world.

[TG]

WRONG: 153 nurses dismissed the job for refusing to be vaccinated. They had the choice and chose their right of freedom; I hope they will sue the hospital and win the case because this is abusive.
I hope more will follow, good look finding new nurses and doctors! That may be a start but it won’t go too far anyway: that’s just a desperate manœuvre to scare more sheeps so they get vaccinated “in case of”.

ahhh yes, "freedom"
I have a niece who works in an Hospital (Office job, not even as doctor or nurse) She was "hesitant" getting the vaccin. Ok, sure....
They dully respected her freedom but told her that she will have to get a PCR test 3 times a weeks instead.
Her hesitancy vanished and she got the vaccin


Rules are usually set to protect ourselves from our own stupidity. So expect to see some popping up regarding people being vaccinated or not.


It already started in some countries.

[FL320]

TG
ahhh yes, "freedom"
I have a niece who works in an Hospital (Office job, not even as doctor or nurse) She was "hesitant" getting the vaccin. Ok, sure....
They dully respected her freedom but told her that she will have to get a PCR test 3 times a weeks instead.
Her hesitancy vanished and she got the vaccin

This happened only because she is dependent on this corrupt system, unfortunately for her. They know most people can’t afford to lose their job; but this is unfair. She did it -not because she trusts the benefits nor the safety of the vaccine- but because of a job! (and 99% of the people got the vaccine for wrong reasons: job; return to their « normal » pathetic life; show off on social sheep medias; etc. ). How can you be so proud to support that?

TG
Rules are usually set to protect ourselves from our own stupidity. So expect to see some popping up regarding people being vaccinated or not.

No; rules are set to live within a specific order. Sheeps just wish that the one creating the rule is not called Hitler or Kim Jong; but even then some are so stupid that they would be happy …

If the vaccine is efficient; why vaccined people have to force others ? You are protected so why are you so scared? (You know Covid will never be eradicated, right?)
Or are you just upset for taking the risks so you want others to put their life in jeopardy too?

[montado]

100 percent I only got fully vaccinated because I was promised normal. Now I'm still stuck wearing a stupid mask everywhere I go. I almost hope people start refusing vaccines to give the government the push to open things up. As long as the line is there for the vaccine the government will be happy to keep restricting our lives.

Time to open things up already!

Anyways those who eat up all this policy have what's coming to them. Won't be long before the next government over reach dips into infringe what's important to them. Give an inch take a mile... The government is coming for them... Maybe they want to sell a nice home they lived in and Trudeau will slap capital gains tax on their personal residence. maybe the flu vax will become mandatory. They will have their turn to ask for freedom and some liberal will point a finger in their face screaming about how there opinions are above you. It will be very satisfying to watch hypocrites cry about freedoms and liberties.

For now I'm keeping notes on stupidity around Ontario. The city of Orillia is paying for a commercial on the radio about how if you want to visit you have to pay 50 dollars to park and 50 dollars to launch a boat. Basically the theme of the commercial is stay away or we will fine you! The reason cited is they want to keep you safe (probably safe from covid?). Guess where I will never visit and spend another tourism dollar? Guess where else: Atlantic provinces! Never need to set foot there again with the border nonsense.

Time to start calling out businesses, politicians and cities that are perpetuating this BS. The day the Atlantic calls upon everyone to come back I plan to be in Florida.

[photofly]

You’re clearly promoting fascism. Thousands of people died in the past because of this ideology. Altiplano is absolutely right: people like you are what's wrong in this world.

If I was a fascist, I would simply line the vaccine refusers up at gunpoint and stick a needle in their arm. Make no mistake: that’s what happens in authoritarian countries. It would be cheaper and more effective than anything else. By contrast, I fully support their freedom to choose not to be vaccinated.

You can thank people like me for the freedom to choose.

But people like me also expect the unvaccinated accept the consequences of their choice, whatever those consequences turn out to be.

Like I said: freedom means freedom to choose, not free from responsibility for the results.


Here is an article about a legal analysis of whether a provincial government can require healthcare workers to be vaccinated:
https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/pract ... ort/337684

[altiplano]

Too bad for these 270,000+ Canadians... I bet they would do it differently in hindsight. It's nice to know what policies surrounding vaccines will be before you move forward. Turns out rushing to get the first dose you could and mixing vaccines wasn't such a good idea... at least if you were hoping to go to Europe.

Narcity Canada: Canadians Who Received Covishield May Be Ineligible For EU Travel.
https://www.narcity.com/covishield-vacc ... -eu-travel

What does this mean for Canadians who got Covishield?
If and when Europe's travel pass is extended to international travellers, Canadians who received at least one dose of the Covishield COVID-19 vaccine may find it harder to travel to some countries because the existing passport plan doesn't recognize Covishield.

[photofly]

Too bad for these 270,000+ Canadians... I bet they would do it differently in hindsight. It's nice to know what policies surrounding vaccines will be before you move forward. Turns out rushing to get the first dose you could and mixing vaccines wasn't such a good idea... at least if you were hoping to go to Europe.

Narcity Canada: Canadians Who Received Covishield May Be Ineligible For EU Travel.
https://www.narcity.com/covishield-vacc ... -eu-travel

What does this mean for Canadians who got Covishield?
If and when Europe's travel pass is extended to international travellers, Canadians who received at least one dose of the Covishield COVID-19 vaccine may find it harder to travel to some countries because the existing passport plan doesn't recognize Covishield.

That’s really your best shot (no pun intended ha ha ha) for refusing a vaccine?

[Inverted2]

100 percent I only got fully vaccinated because I was promised normal. Now I'm still stuck wearing a stupid mask everywhere I go. I almost hope people start refusing vaccines to give the government the push to open things up. As long as the line is there for the vaccine the government will be happy to keep restricting our lives.

Time to open things up already!

That’s why I have so far said no to the vaccines. You have no more freedoms than I do at the moment. I do self identify as vaccinated if people ask because I am tired of getting lectured by Karens!

[47north]

[/quote]

153 nurses dismissed the job for refusing to be vaccinated. They had the choice and had the balls to chose their right of freedom; but I hope they will sue the hospital and win the case because this is abusive.
I hope more will follow, good look finding new nurses and doctors! That may be a start but it won’t go too far anyway: that’s just a desperate manœuvre to scare more sheeps so they get vaccinated “just in case of”.

I said those who do get vaccinated get to choose what restrictions are placed on people who choose not to be vaccinated.

You’re clearly promoting fascism. Thousands of people died in the past because of this ideology. Altiplano is absolutely right: people like you are what's wrong in this world.
[/quote]

This is one of the stupidest comments I have seen on this site and there have been many.

The staff working in that hospital in Houston, or any hospital, are responsible for people’s health in an environment that requires amongst other things, infection control to ensure that anyone coming into their facility doesn’t contract something that would be detrimental to their health or others. If any staff member doesn’t understand this basic component of healthcare means they are either incompetent or so self centred that they don’t belong working in health care.

Nobody is taking away the rights of these employees. They are exercising their right to not take a vaccine and the employer is saying fine, but to protect other employees, patients and the corporation, a vaccine is required to work there. In a country where the first reaction in any dispute is typically to lawyer up and sue someone, the liability to that organization would be enormous if a patient contracted a disease from a staff member that refused a vaccine that would prevent the transmission of said disease to a patient.