Conservatives to scrap the Long Gun Registry

[Dushan]

I totally agree with you which is why I've never used that argument. How do you prove something like that? However that isn't the only benefit to the program.

But that is the most often cited reason for LGR, especially by the likes of Wendy Coukier and Ron Charach.

[Rockie]

It is no more inane than "guns don't kill, people kill" mantra repeated ad nauseum by the NRA and their supporters.

[Dushan]

But can you answer the question? Can you show me whose life LGR saved?
As for the "guns don't kill", it is true, isn't it? We have laws against killing, so making more laws about the objects used to kill will not stop the killing. People who are determined to break the law about killing are not going to stop because there is a law about gun possession.

Passing more laws about the same problem will not solve the problem. If the estimated $70 million that is spent on LGR, annually, was spent on crime prevention or mental health there would be a lot less of it.

Also remember that LGR deals only with long guns, not handguns. Most, if not all, firearms related crimes, especially in large urban centres in Canada, are committed with smuggled handguns Let's spend the $70M every year on tightening the border. And let's stop asking people if they are bringing an extra bottle of booze or search their bags because we want to get that $100 in taxes and duty, lets look for real criminals who are bringing guns and drugs, but I digress...

[Rockie]

While I see the faults in flawed arguments from both sides, you only see the faults in one. Try opening up your mind a little.

I could for example say that a single gun used by different people to kill is the culprit, since removing that gun may have saved some people. It is a true statement, but flawed because of its extremely narrow viewpoint and failure to consider literally dozens of other factors.

Similarly the "saving one life" argument is flawed for the very same reason. But you don't see that.

[burhead1]

While I see the faults in flawed arguments from both sides, you only see the faults in one. Try opening up your mind a little.

I could for example say that a single gun used by different people to kill is the culprit, since removing that gun may have saved some people. It is a true statement, but flawed because of its extremely narrow viewpoint and failure to consider literally dozens of other factors.

Similarly the "saving one life" argument is flawed for the very same reason. But you don't see that.

How many people have been killed by stabbing? is it more that by guns? Should everyone have to register their knives? Everything is a potential weapon. Register your hammers boys, because people have been known to use them to kill.
LGR is a waste of time, money, paper and thread time on AVCANADA.

[Rockie]

Then why register a car, or a boat, or your dog? How about an airplane?

Registering something attaches that thing to somebody and make them responsible for it. That to me isn't a bad thing especially when it comes to weapons, and it's possible all these other inane arguments gun advocates put forth are simply a smoke screen to hide the fact you don't want to be responsible for them.

[burhead1]

Then why register a car, or a boat, or your dog? How about an airplane?

Registering something attaches that thing to somebody and make them responsible for it. That to me isn't a bad thing especially when it comes to weapons, and it's possible all these other inane arguments gun advocates put forth are simply a smoke screen to hide the fact you don't want to be responsible for them.

A gun is not a weapon, you seemed to miss my point.
WIKA


A weapon is a tool used with the aim of causing damage or harm (either physical or mental) to living beings. In human society weapons are used to increase the efficacy and efficiency of tasks such as hunting, fighting, the committing of criminal acts, the preserving of law and order, and the waging of war.

Weapons are employed individually or collectively. A weapon can be either expressly designed as such or an item re-purposed through use (for example, hitting someone with a hammer), their form can range from simple implements such as clubs through to complicated modern implementations such as intercontinental ballistic missiles and biological weapons. Weapon development has progressed from early wood or stone clubs through revolutions in metalworking (swords, maces, etc.) and gunpowder (guns, cannon), electronics and nuclear technology.

[Rockie]

A gun is not a weapon, you seemed to miss my point.

Really? That's interesting.

In the military I was required to sign out, and be wholly responsible for every weapon I used from a 7mm popgun to a supersonic jet. This was despite the fact I was not authorized, and had no intention of actually harming anybody with it. Do you think the military makes the same bluntly stupid distinction you just made?

[Dushan]

Indeed I cannot see how "one life saved" is a valid argument, yet it is the most often used one...

Can you see the faults of the LGR to the point that it needs to be dismantled? Why does a farmer in Saskatchewan become a criminal (yes he gets charged criminally) if he does not register his shotgun. While I don't fundamentally agree with any firearms registration, and agree with some need for training and licensing of owners/operators, I see no need for the government to know who owns which shotgun or hunting rifle.

Why does a law abiding Torontonian who collects guns become a criminal when his license expires and administrative foul-up prevented him from receiving a new one? Why does Toronto police, then, storm his house and have a press conference showing how they removed "illegal firearms from the streets of Toronto" ?

Why does a collector whose apartment in a Toronto high-rise gets broken into via a balcony and the burglars spend a week using an acetylene torch to open his gun safe, get charged with "careless storage" a criminal offense?

The Liberals have gun owners in their sights, and as someone has said it earlier, registration leads to confiscation.

[burhead1]

I was just going to leave it at that, but you would think that i had no answer. I have given my answer and we will not see eye to eye, s I am done. I hope they drop the registry as it is pointless. It would only make any sense at all if everyone who had a gun had it registered and I mean everyone.

[Dushan]

A gun is not a weapon, you seemed to miss my point.

Really? That's interesting.

In the military I was required to sign out, and be wholly responsible for every weapon I used from a 7mm popgun to a supersonic jet. This was despite the fact I was not authorized, and had no intention of actually harming anybody with it. Do you think the military makes the same bluntly stupid distinction you just made?

It becomes a "weapon" when it is used to kill a human being. Until then it is a firearm. Therefore a competition .22 Pardini is never a weapon and your military jet is not a weapon until you are given a command to arm it and fire.

[Giveitago]

In the military I was required to sign out, and be wholly responsible for every weapon I used from a 7mm popgun to a supersonic jet. This was despite the fact I was not authorized, and had no intention of actually harming anybody with it. Do you think the military makes the same bluntly stupid distinction you just made?

Rockie - To be fair - In the military you have to sign for fricken everything. From trucks to toothbrushes (ok, maybe not toothbrushes)

[Dushan]

[Rockie]

Rockie - To be fair - In the military you have to sign for fricken everything. From trucks to toothbrushes (ok, maybe not toothbrushes)

Of course you do. But do you honestly think the military treats C7 rifles the same as a canteen?

It becomes a "weapon" when it is used to kill a human being. Until then it is a firearm. Therefore a competition .22 Pardini is never a weapon and your military jet is not a weapon until you are given a command to arm it and fire.

Bullshit semantics that no professional organization would give an ounce of credence to. All I see is somebody who wants to own guns but not be responsible for them.

[mcrit]

If I were sure it would stop at registration I wouldn't be all that opposed to it. But it won't stop there. Responsible gun owners can see that, and that is why they are fighting it. We ,(responsible gun owners), are tired of being punished for the mistakes of others.

BTW, the real reason we register dogs and cars is government revenue.

[Doc]

Don't even get me started on the "Safe Boater" card. What a goat @#$! that is!

Get rid of the long gun registry and you get my vote. Who ever came up with that white elephant should do jail time.

[Dushan]

Who ever came up with that white elephant should do jail time.

Allan Rock is still collecting a salary on your tax Dollar and making sure only the voice of the Left is heard loud and clear (remember that little incident at Ottawa University with Ann Coulter).

[Rockie]

The right has no trouble being heard even when it isn't their turn to speak.

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[trey kule]

Rockie...enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EgChwYbDqk

[Rockie]

[burhead1]