Here's an interesting method of building hours.

[stol701]

I guess in rare cases that may be the case. I'm not into the industry much but I don't think most of these people attract huge volume of customers. For all practical purposes these are all recreational activities.

[YYZSaabGuy]

For all practical purposes these are all recreational activities.

Then keep it on a purely recreational basis with friends and family, rather than the general public. And don't charge for it.

[stol701]

They (the bureaucrats) should make it easier and allow for up to a few thousand dollars to be "made" that way and entered as additional income on the tax forms. Say 2 or 3 or 5,000. And if you make more then go get all the needed certificates for a commercial operation.

[CFR]

I tend to agree, this could be handled like owner maintenance aircraft where you have to post a notice in a conspicuous place that states

WARNING
SPECIAL CERTIFICATE OF AIRWORTHINESS - OWNER-MAINTENANCE
THIS AIRCRAFT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AIRWORTHINESS STANDARDS

I suggest the following for chisel charters.

ATTENTION
THE PILOT OF THIS AIRCRAFT HAS NOT BEEN TRAINED TO COMMERCIAL STANDARDS, NOR IS THE AIRCRAFT MAINTAINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STANDARDS FOR AN AIR TAXI SERVICE. THE PILOT HAS VERY LOW HOURS MEANING THAT IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY THIS LACK OF EXPERIENCE WILL RESULT IN A 50/50 CHANCE THAT THERE WILL BE A SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME. IN THE EVENT OF AN INCIDENT THE INSURANCE CARRIER FOR THE AIRCRAFT AND/OR THE INSURANCE CARRIER FOR THE CLUB THE AIRCRAFT IS RENTED FROM, WILL DO THEIR UTMOST TO DENY ANY CLAIMS MADE, SINCE THE TRUE PURPOSE OF THE FLIGHT WAS NOT DISCLOSED. THEY WILL LIKELY BE SUCCESSFUL. IN THE EVENT THAT THE INCIDENT INVOLVES FATALITIES, GOOD LUCK GETTING BLOOD FROM A STONE. IN REALITY THIS SERVICE IS PROVIDED TO BUILD HOURS FOR THE PILOT TO GAIN EXPERIENCE USING YOUR MONEY. PLEASE ENJOY THE FLIGHT.

[stol701]

I like it It's like the disclaimer forms you have to sign before jumping with a parachute... those pilots mostly make hours on someone else's money... scum-backs!

[CFR]

I like it It's like the disclaimer forms you have to sign before jumping with a parachute... those pilots mostly make hours on someone else's money... scum-backs!

"those" pilots have a commercial rating and are working for a company, not a low time PPL sneaking around the rules.

My position is, want to earn money, get your commercial license.

[stol701]

But the bureaucrats won't leave it at that only. If it was only the license, fine - let it be mandatory to have CPL e en if it's for some minute revenue. But they'll ask then to own or lease the plane, to have a physical address, safety management system, ... the whole thing!!!

If it's a full time thing, ok, I agree... you either go full in or you don't. But these rules are making "making a little money" as something evil.

I know you are right. Especially in the context of the already existing law. But I still don't like it.

[Blakey]

If I have a truck and you ask me to go to London, Ontario to pick up your stuff and then you pay for all the expenses and even buy me coffee at Tim Hortons, and maybe tip me a little... How is that bad?

I suggest that you call this fellow and ask him that exact question. You may find that his answer surprises you - he runs a trucking company; Google his phone number!

[PilotDAR]

bureaucrats won't leave it at that only

The bureaucrats will carry out our society's collective wish for regulating public safety. If the "public" are not invited, the bureaucrats are much less interested.

If someone approaches you to drive your stuff somewhere in your truck, it's about the same as someone asking you for a flight in your plane. It's "private", and there is little bureaucratic interest in this. Once it is advertised to the "public", that same public expects the government they employ to enact and enforce regulation, so they don't have to determine for them self the suitability or safety of a service.

I like the idea that I can by meat at the grocery store, and think that a bureaucratic system has done something to assure it is safe to eat - I don't have time to figure it out for myself. The meat inspector might rely upon me to assure that the plane he is considering flying in is safe and compliant, 'cause he does not know how to do that for himself.

If a Canadian would like to be paid to fly, get a commercial license, and fly a commercially registered aircraft. Otherwise, enjoy the immense privilege we have allowed ourselves, to actually fly privately in Canada - how many countries allow that at all? But don't abuse that private flight privilege by blurring it into an unapproved public service.

[xchox]

ATTENTION
THE PILOT OF THIS AIRCRAFT HAS NOT BEEN TRAINED TO COMMERCIAL STANDARDS, NOR IS THE AIRCRAFT MAINTAINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STANDARDS FOR AN AIR TAXI SERVICE. THE PILOT HAS VERY LOW HOURS MEANING THAT IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY THIS LACK OF EXPERIENCE WILL RESULT IN A 50/50 CHANCE THAT THERE WILL BE A SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME. IN THE EVENT OF AN INCIDENT THE INSURANCE CARRIER FOR THE AIRCRAFT AND/OR THE INSURANCE CARRIER FOR THE CLUB THE AIRCRAFT IS RENTED FROM, WILL DO THEIR UTMOST TO DENY ANY CLAIMS MADE, SINCE THE TRUE PURPOSE OF THE FLIGHT WAS NOT DISCLOSED. THEY WILL LIKELY BE SUCCESSFUL. IN THE EVENT THAT THE INCIDENT INVOLVES FATALITIES, GOOD LUCK GETTING BLOOD FROM A STONE. IN REALITY THIS SERVICE IS PROVIDED TO BUILD HOURS FOR THE PILOT TO GAIN EXPERIENCE USING YOUR MONEY. PLEASE ENJOY THE FLIGHT.

This is great!

[Meatservo]

It sure is! You can almost imagine a whole "warning sticker" industry emerging from that idea. You could sell a whole series of them, like this one:

"Warning. The "pilots" of this aircraft have had so little recent experience actually manipulating the flight controls of an aeroplane, that they can not be relied upon in an emergency affecting the automatic systems, to successfully guide this aircraft to a safe landing".


or this:

"Warning. The pilot of this aircraft has demonstrated his knowledge to the regulator by getting a 60% score on a simple multiple-choice questionnaire designed principally not to hurt his feelings"

Or how about:

"Warning. The first officer on today's flight is an unpaid intern who works as a night security guard on her days off to feed herself and has so little recent sleep and nutrition that she can not reasonably be expected to stay awake for the whole approach"


et cetera.

This is fun; let's think of a few more!

[MrWings]

More chiseling!

This guy isn't even splitting cost!

[ThatArmyGuy]

More chiseling!

Seems like the sight seeing tour is also a discovery flight. Must be an instructor....

[cdnpilot77]

More chiseling!

Seems like the sight seeing tour is also a discovery flight. Must be an instructor....

I sent him a message and asked if he would take me anywhere I needed or wanted to go and his reply was " to any location".

Does that change your opinion?

[eggy]

More chiseling!

Seems like the sight seeing tour is also a discovery flight. Must be an instructor....

I sent him a message and asked if he would take me anywhere I needed or wanted to go and his reply was " to any location".

Does that change your opinion?

Tokyo, please.

[Big Pistons Forever]

Tell him you want to go to someplace around 300 miles away, get dropped off and then picked up the next day, but you will only pay him with Visa

[ThatArmyGuy]

More chiseling!

Seems like the sight seeing tour is also a discovery flight. Must be an instructor....

I sent him a message and asked if he would take me anywhere I needed or wanted to go and his reply was " to any location".

Does that change your opinion?

No, I was being sarcastic from the start

[MrWings]

I'm guessing one of the flying club members is on this site and told him to pull the ad. It has disappeared!

[MrWings]

They keep on trying:

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-services/c ... 1144327495