Phone COPA back up and tell them that you
disagree with the Board of Directors, and you
demand exactly the same treatment that they
gave Doug Ronan. Ask to speak to the President,
even if he denies any knowledge or involvement
in this issue, which is fantastically implausible
according to the COPA President, if you involved in GA and you are not a COPA member, you are getting "a free ride".
I think we have to agree with him on that, because he's the expert on that subject.
Colonel Sanders wrote:It sounds like things are seriously rotten in Denmark.
Somewhere in this thread it says a simple majority is needed to remove persons from the board at the AGM; which is about a year from now. Plenty of time to get a voting bloc together.
And the 2014 AGM is going to be held in Peterborough in June.... It might be entertaining.
I find it absolutely disgusting that the board ousted Doug Ronan just because he disagreed on a couple of subjects and pointed out the mistakes they are making which will eventually cost us the members money. He disagreed on there handling of the insurance and also the throwing away 25 K to help TIPA with there useless lawsuit against Porter Airlines which they will never win and it is a total waste of COPA money. Porter Air is all for General Aviation and we have had excellent treatment every time I have flown in. But most of all I am disgusted with the way it was done. Mr. Pusutka and Mr. Hayes returned Mr. Ronan's dues which were paid just so they could disqualify him from being a director. How LOW will these people go to protect there positions and what other things are they hiding. Last time I checked we were in a democratic society while it appears that Mr. Hayes and Mr. Pusutka are trying to run COPA like a dictatorship for there own benefit. If a politician pulled a bonehead move like these two gentlemen did he would be asked to resign. We the members should call a special meeting and petition the board to resign and call another election to put in place people who are out for the promotion and enhancement of general aviation in Canada and world wide.
What happened to Doug is unfortunate but that is only the tip of iceberg. The main problem with COPA is that the board and the president have accomplished absolutely nothing. When Psutka receives his annual bonuses he justifies them by saying that he attended this and talked to this person and lobbied such and such, but at the end of the day NOTHING is EVER accomplished. Spending a thousand dollars of members' monies on travel expenses to attend and receive a $200 check for the freedom to fly fund is NOT an accomplishment of the president. Mr Psutka is sucking the life out of COPA and the board is doing nothing about it. We the members need fix COPA before it is too late.
83% of membership fees just for salaries
65k for board travel, that should close to double this year because we send board members all over the country(saskatoon, st. johns , dawson creek) 58k other travel. these guys ever heard of skype
171k for office rent
we take in 900k in memberships and these figures are well over a million. Got to wonder if there is any money left fo copa objectives.
Seems like we have self serving empire at work here
This gets wackier and wackier.
Presumably COPA board members are also reading all this but, so far, we've had only a broad-based statement from the COPA Board Chair that was long on rhetoric, short on fact and emphatic about the president's non-involvement.
Some housecleaning is in order.
One can't help but notice that they COPA board have "enacted" a new set of bylaws on 22 June 2013, without a special resolution of the members, which is required by bylaws.
I'd be less worried about changing the President as changing the legal advice they're taking.
If they find out which COPA Flight you belong to and you ask questions, you and your Flight will be deleted.
Look at this link to Copa flights - you find that COPA flight 110 is "inactive" and all the information is gone - all the other ones just say expired -but ours has be erased and marked inactive
You'll need 5% of the membership to sign in order to call a meeting. According to Wikipedia we have about 18000 members... So you'll need 900 signatures or this is dead in the water. After that, keep in mind that proxy voting is allowed at meetings. That's good for most of us from across Canada who couldn't attend a meeting called in Ontario (as it will be). But it's also good for the board, and I suspect that the board holds a *lot* of proxies on behalf of the members.
this petition will certainly help. what needs to be done is the directors need to be contacted personally.y
If would be nice to hear what they have to say without he pres or hayes in the background. If you notice there are no email address for the board listed on the copa website. Anyone out there know how we could get them. I have contacted my director and he knows my views.
It's clear that the numbers of people in this forum interested in a clearing of the air are, by far, in the majority.
But as for it being an easy row to hoe? No.
I've signed this petition and included my membership number because I want to know where being a pain in the ass ends and being a detriment to COPA'S values begins. I further want to know if the Board was following the clear-cut protocols in dumping this director by yanking his COPA membership.
The optics, as a poster mentioned earlier, do not favour the Board's actions. If Board members believe their action was the correct one. . . COME CLEAN AND GIVE SPECIFICS, and hold off on the spin cycle.
Too many members are demanding to know.
dstechnical wrote:this petition will certainly help. what needs to be done is the directors need to be contacted personally.y
If would be nice to hear what they have to say without he pres or hayes in the background. If you notice there are no email address for the board listed on the copa website. Anyone out there know how we could get them. I have contacted my director and he knows my views.
You won't hear from the board members. They have been warned by the president to not talk to anyone about this matter. Oops, did I say the president? Oh that couldn't be, it must have been the chair that warned all the directors because the president would not have any authority to tell the board what to do. It must have been the chair and the president removed himself totally from telling the directors to not talk or get involved in this matter. Anyhow, they have been read the riot act and that is why no one from the board is participating in this forum. You can be sure that they are all reading on a daily basis.
I have this theory, it's called "The Grade 11 Theory of Socialization."
Essentially, it works like this: We achieve the zenith of interpersonal relations around the Grade 11 mark, subsequent to that time we may age, acquire more money, fancy houses, careers, toys, start to go grey and wrinkle up a bit, but we never progress beyond the Grade 11 stage of interpersonal politics and bullshit, otherwise called High School.
Seems to fit this scenario to a T. What a disaster... sounds like one hell of an organization to belong to.
Im calling it the "demo-dicta" complex ( DDC for short ) When a "democratic organization faces too many impasses to get the job done AND too many SELF interest groups railroading the political process, a person or persons step up and start to control the situation for the "common good" of the people ,,,when that goes too far we have "stalinism" "polpotism" "Hitlerism" "Harperism". Most dictators feel it is not only necessary BUT a god given right to dictate and control and well, the spoils go to themselves for all the hard work they do in the killing fields Once control is established, a good dictator can have good results, a bad dictator TERRIBLE results, for the most part the sheeple are too ignorant , and too self interested to assist in the evolution of any country, especially according to the learned aristocracy
