New hire bids

[truedude]

The ground school this week had a bid of:
YYC: CRJ 1
YYC: Q400 7
YVR: CRJ 6

Can't even get 15 in a ground school, let alone 20.... the new pay really seems to be working well. And how many of those 14 had ATPLs?

Possibly the number in class is what jazz desires and without ATPL. I’ve applied recently with ATPL, no contact to date from them.

We are short 300 + pilots. Hiring 14 every 2 weeks is not what Jazz desires. But likely all that they can find. And given the crap pay for training pilots, all they can train given the limited amount of people willing to do the job.

[Happyflyer78]

Can't even get 15 in a ground school, let alone 20.... the new pay really seems to be working well. And how many of those 14 had ATPLs?

Possibly the number in class is what jazz desires and without ATPL. I’ve applied recently with ATPL, no contact to date from them.

We are short 300 + pilots. Hiring 14 every 2 weeks is not what Jazz desires. But likely all that they can find. And given the crap pay for training pilots, all they can train given the limited amount of people willing to do the job.

The HR department likely is doing what they’re being asked to do. As I mentioned I applied recently with ATPL without any contact from them to start process.

[Hysteria]

Can't even get 15 in a ground school, let alone 20.... the new pay really seems to be working well. And how many of those 14 had ATPLs?

Possibly the number in class is what jazz desires and without ATPL. I’ve applied recently with ATPL, no contact to date from them.

We are short 300 + pilots. Hiring 14 every 2 weeks is not what Jazz desires. But likely all that they can find. And given the crap pay for training pilots, all they can train given the limited amount of people willing to do the job.

Do you know the ground school dates for November/December?

[CaptDukeNukem]

Possibly the number in class is what jazz desires and without ATPL. I’ve applied recently with ATPL, no contact to date from them.

We are short 300 + pilots. Hiring 14 every 2 weeks is not what Jazz desires. But likely all that they can find. And given the crap pay for training pilots, all they can train given the limited amount of people willing to do the job.

The HR department likely is doing what they’re being asked to do. As I mentioned I applied recently with ATPL without any contact from them to start process.

When did you apply? Seems strange you wouldn’t get a call with an ATPL.

[Happyflyer78]

We are short 300 + pilots. Hiring 14 every 2 weeks is not what Jazz desires. But likely all that they can find. And given the crap pay for training pilots, all they can train given the limited amount of people willing to do the job.

The HR department likely is doing what they’re being asked to do. As I mentioned I applied recently with ATPL without any contact from them to start process.

When did you apply? Seems strange you wouldn’t get a call with an ATPL.

About a month ago.

[rudder]

The ground school this week had a bid of:
YYC: CRJ 1
YYC: Q400 7
YVR: CRJ 6

Notice once again zero e-Jet positions.

Program certainly looks like it is on hold. Lack of trainers? Possibly. Lack of sim availability? Absolutely not. Fear of quick exodus to Porter? Definitely.

[Happyflyer78]

The ground school this week had a bid of:
YYC: CRJ 1
YYC: Q400 7
YVR: CRJ 6

Notice once again zero e-Jet positions.

Program certainly looks like it is on hold. Lack of trainers? Possibly. Lack of sim availability? Absolutely not. Fear of quick exodus to Porter? Definitely.

Could hiring experienced applicants be on hold as well? Thinking they will leave quickly while less experienced would hang around longer?
I applied about a month ago with no contact from HR to date.

[Retro51]

The ground school this week had a bid of:
YYC: CRJ 1
YYC: Q400 7
YVR: CRJ 6

Can't even get 15 in a ground school, let alone 20.... the new pay really seems to be working well. And how many of those 14 had ATPLs?

Possibly the number in class is what jazz desires and without ATPL. I’ve applied recently with ATPL, no contact to date from them.

What is happening is that YYZ and YUL are their largest bases. Right now the pilot demand there is huge. They are moving ALOT of pilots to YYZ and YUL internally. That could either be from the pilot volunteering to relocate base to YYZ/YUL or the company provides bids that have them deadheading to YYZ/YUL for 1wk to 1mo at a time. Since the internal flow to YYZ and YUL, those positions need to be filled in YVR/YYC.
The flip side to that is that most new hires that are getting West coast, are from the East coast and put a request in before their new hire ground school is over to transfer to East coast. Yes, that fills positions needed in YYZ/YUL but still leaves vacancies in YVR/YYC.
Truedude, the main goal of the wage increase was not to attract new pilots to fly for JAZZ, it is to provide a reason to work for JAZZ, to stay at JAZZ longer, and to be at par or at least competitive in the Canadian Aviation Industry. Which was successful by the way. Also, These 15 people most likely applied for the position before the new pay was implemented. For me, from first applied to offer letter was 5 months, 7 month to first day at JAZZ. The logistics behind such a huge hiring process, ground schools, instructors, facilities, sims, and even hotels takes a lot of effort, time, resources, and a lot that you don't know about. Like Happyflier said, it may have been intentional.

[truedude]

Can't even get 15 in a ground school, let alone 20.... the new pay really seems to be working well. And how many of those 14 had ATPLs?

Possibly the number in class is what jazz desires and without ATPL. I’ve applied recently with ATPL, no contact to date from them.

What is happening is that YYZ and YUL are their largest bases. Right now the pilot demand there is huge. They are moving ALOT of pilots to YYZ and YUL internally. That could either be from the pilot volunteering to relocate base to YYZ/YUL or the company provides bids that have them deadheading to YYZ/YUL for 1wk to 1mo at a time. Since the internal flow to YYZ and YUL, those positions need to be filled in YVR/YYC.
The flip side to that is that most new hires that are getting West coast, are from the East coast and put a request in before their new hire ground school is over to transfer to East coast. Yes, that fills positions needed in YYZ/YUL but still leaves vacancies in YVR/YYC.
Truedude, the main goal of the wage increase was not to attract new pilots to fly for JAZZ, it is to provide a reason to work for JAZZ, to stay at JAZZ longer, and to be at par or at least competitive in the Canadian Aviation Industry. Which was successful by the way. Also, These 15 people most likely applied for the position before the new pay was implemented. For me, from first applied to offer letter was 5 months, 7 month to first day at JAZZ. The logistics behind such a huge hiring process, ground schools, instructors, facilities, sims, and even hotels takes a lot of effort, time, resources, and a lot that you don't know about. Like Happyflier said, it may have been intentional.

It didn't accomplish any of that either. People are still leaving for other companies, and it did nothing to attract new pilots. At least non that are upgradable. And there are no bids for pilots to be in YYZ for a week or even a month at a time. There are pairings constructed that include DHs, but no more than 4 days at a time.

Your knowledge as to what is happening clearly not in line with reality. And if anyone thinks that pay is going to make people stay longer, then someone is very delusional. That pay has accomplished nothing when it comes to pilot retention or attraction.

[Happyflyer78]

Possibly the number in class is what jazz desires and without ATPL. I’ve applied recently with ATPL, no contact to date from them.

What is happening is that YYZ and YUL are their largest bases. Right now the pilot demand there is huge. They are moving ALOT of pilots to YYZ and YUL internally. That could either be from the pilot volunteering to relocate base to YYZ/YUL or the company provides bids that have them deadheading to YYZ/YUL for 1wk to 1mo at a time. Since the internal flow to YYZ and YUL, those positions need to be filled in YVR/YYC.
The flip side to that is that most new hires that are getting West coast, are from the East coast and put a request in before their new hire ground school is over to transfer to East coast. Yes, that fills positions needed in YYZ/YUL but still leaves vacancies in YVR/YYC.
Truedude, the main goal of the wage increase was not to attract new pilots to fly for JAZZ, it is to provide a reason to work for JAZZ, to stay at JAZZ longer, and to be at par or at least competitive in the Canadian Aviation Industry. Which was successful by the way. Also, These 15 people most likely applied for the position before the new pay was implemented. For me, from first applied to offer letter was 5 months, 7 month to first day at JAZZ. The logistics behind such a huge hiring process, ground schools, instructors, facilities, sims, and even hotels takes a lot of effort, time, resources, and a lot that you don't know about. Like Happyflier said, it may have been intentional.

It didn't accomplish any of that either. People are still leaving for other companies, and it did nothing to attract new pilots. At least non that are upgradable. And there are no bids for pilots to be in YYZ for a week or even a month at a time. There are pairings constructed that include DHs, but no more than 4 days at a time.

Your knowledge as to what is happening clearly not in line with reality. And if anyone thinks that pay is going to make people stay longer, then someone is very delusional. That pay has accomplished nothing when it comes to pilot retention or attraction.

Could you share what “upgradable new hire means”? Time on type, hours etc needed.

[truedude]

What is happening is that YYZ and YUL are their largest bases. Right now the pilot demand there is huge. They are moving ALOT of pilots to YYZ and YUL internally. That could either be from the pilot volunteering to relocate base to YYZ/YUL or the company provides bids that have them deadheading to YYZ/YUL for 1wk to 1mo at a time. Since the internal flow to YYZ and YUL, those positions need to be filled in YVR/YYC.
The flip side to that is that most new hires that are getting West coast, are from the East coast and put a request in before their new hire ground school is over to transfer to East coast. Yes, that fills positions needed in YYZ/YUL but still leaves vacancies in YVR/YYC.
Truedude, the main goal of the wage increase was not to attract new pilots to fly for JAZZ, it is to provide a reason to work for JAZZ, to stay at JAZZ longer, and to be at par or at least competitive in the Canadian Aviation Industry. Which was successful by the way. Also, These 15 people most likely applied for the position before the new pay was implemented. For me, from first applied to offer letter was 5 months, 7 month to first day at JAZZ. The logistics behind such a huge hiring process, ground schools, instructors, facilities, sims, and even hotels takes a lot of effort, time, resources, and a lot that you don't know about. Like Happyflier said, it may have been intentional.

It didn't accomplish any of that either. People are still leaving for other companies, and it did nothing to attract new pilots. At least non that are upgradable. And there are no bids for pilots to be in YYZ for a week or even a month at a time. There are pairings constructed that include DHs, but no more than 4 days at a time.

Your knowledge as to what is happening clearly not in line with reality. And if anyone thinks that pay is going to make people stay longer, then someone is very delusional. That pay has accomplished nothing when it comes to pilot retention or attraction.

Could you share what “upgradable new hire means”? Time on type, hours etc needed.

One with an ATPL. No one who wants to go to AC is going to come to Jazz of they have an ATPL. No one who doesn't want to go to AC will come to Jazz if they have any experience. The pay has not changed that. Jazz still can't attract ATPL qualified pilots. AC has made Jazz appear unstable. So no one who might make a career at Jazz will come here so long as the instability exists. And no one will come here as long as there are better opportunities elsewhere. The only people Jazz will attract are those with no time.

[Turboprops]

It didn't accomplish any of that either. People are still leaving for other companies, and it did nothing to attract new pilots. At least non that are upgradable. And there are no bids for pilots to be in YYZ for a week or even a month at a time. There are pairings constructed that include DHs, but no more than 4 days at a time.

Your knowledge as to what is happening clearly not in line with reality. And if anyone thinks that pay is going to make people stay longer, then someone is very delusional. That pay has accomplished nothing when it comes to pilot retention or attraction.

Well people hired just after COVID all had ATPLs. A bunch of them were thinking of leaving, most people chose to stay after this new pay. They told me they’ll just upgrade and wait for AC. There, it solves the company’s biggest problem.

The new pay was never meant to attract ATPLs, they’re happy with the 500 hour instructors they’re finding, they don’t need that many captains when you shrink down to 80 fins. The new pay is doing its job to keep some of those ATPL FOs from leaving

End of the year is approaching fast, if I recall correctly, you said there’ll be a raise before the end of the year for Jazz pilots. We’ll see how “ineffective” this last pay raise really is

[truedude]

It didn't accomplish any of that either. People are still leaving for other companies, and it did nothing to attract new pilots. At least non that are upgradable. And there are no bids for pilots to be in YYZ for a week or even a month at a time. There are pairings constructed that include DHs, but no more than 4 days at a time.

Your knowledge as to what is happening clearly not in line with reality. And if anyone thinks that pay is going to make people stay longer, then someone is very delusional. That pay has accomplished nothing when it comes to pilot retention or attraction.

Well people hired just after COVID all had ATPLs. A bunch of them were thinking of leaving, most people chose to stay after this new pay. They told me they’ll just upgrade and wait for AC. There, it solves the company’s biggest problem.

The new pay was never meant to attract ATPLs, they’re happy with the 500 hour instructors they’re finding, they don’t need that many captains when you shrink down to 80 fins. The new pay is doing its job to keep some of those ATPL FOs from leaving

End of the year is approaching fast, if I recall correctly, you said there’ll be a raise before the end of the year for Jazz pilots. We’ll see how “ineffective” this last pay raise really is

I said if they want to have a summer they will need to pay more by the end of the year.

And no one who doesn't want to go to AC is coming, or staying. And you can't run a company with 500 hrs instructors. And all those people who you say are staying will be gone by March if AC continues to honor 60% for them, so it solves no problems long term.

Out west, people are still leaving for Westjet, and no one with less than 5 years is considering Jazz as a career option.

And no one with time will come here, whether they want to work for AC or not. And they aren't happy with a bunch of unupgradable pilots with no time. But they can't find anyone else and can't admit they have a problem... at least no publicly.

But Jazz management is worried and know the problem is only getting worse.

[kiaszceski]

The HR department likely is doing what they’re being asked to do. As I mentioned I applied recently with ATPL without any contact from them to start process.

When did you apply? Seems strange you wouldn’t get a call with an ATPL.

About a month ago.

Too much experience. They don't want ATPL's anymore. Apply to somewhere else.

[Nick678]

You can’t trust AC to follow flow, everyone should hopefully be educated on that. AC has ambitions hiring plans to reach 6000 pilots. They will likely get there by next year or just after. If you don’t get in now you may be stuck at the bottom of a huge seniority list when the time finally comes.

Unless you already have a PIT scheduled I think you should leave Jazz. They already hired ~800 pilots this year, most are not jazz.

Jazz ALPA and AC ALPA don’t think anything meaningful will come from the complaints to the CIRB.

[Turboprops]

It didn't accomplish any of that either. People are still leaving for other companies, and it did nothing to attract new pilots. At least non that are upgradable. And there are no bids for pilots to be in YYZ for a week or even a month at a time. There are pairings constructed that include DHs, but no more than 4 days at a time.

Your knowledge as to what is happening clearly not in line with reality. And if anyone thinks that pay is going to make people stay longer, then someone is very delusional. That pay has accomplished nothing when it comes to pilot retention or attraction.

Well people hired just after COVID all had ATPLs. A bunch of them were thinking of leaving, most people chose to stay after this new pay. They told me they’ll just upgrade and wait for AC. There, it solves the company’s biggest problem.

The new pay was never meant to attract ATPLs, they’re happy with the 500 hour instructors they’re finding, they don’t need that many captains when you shrink down to 80 fins. The new pay is doing its job to keep some of those ATPL FOs from leaving

End of the year is approaching fast, if I recall correctly, you said there’ll be a raise before the end of the year for Jazz pilots. We’ll see how “ineffective” this last pay raise really is

I said if they want to have a summer they will need to pay more by the end of the year.

And no one who doesn't want to go to AC is coming, or staying. And you can't run a company with 500 hrs instructors. And all those people who you say are staying will be gone by March if AC continues to honor 60% for them, so it solves no problems long term.

Out west, people are still leaving for Westjet, and no one with less than 5 years is considering Jazz as a career option.

And no one with time will come here, whether they want to work for AC or not. And they aren't happy with a bunch of unupgradable pilots with no time. But they can't find anyone else and can't admit they have a problem... at least no publicly.

But Jazz management is worried and know the problem is only getting worse.

60% flow? Haha what kind of world do you live in that still believe everyone on property before the vote will keep 60%? Last month my AC buddy asked their HR when does 30% flow start? HR said right now. It’s been 30% (or less) for the last couple years anyway

They’ll be forced to sit at Jazz for 2 years because AC wants them to. So no, they won’t be gone by March.

They’re not running the company on 500 hour instructors, remember all those DB pension captains? Heck I even flew with captains in their 30s (post 2015 hires) that don’t want to leave. That’ll get the company going for a few more years, and then the A220s will all show up

[truedude]

Well people hired just after COVID all had ATPLs. A bunch of them were thinking of leaving, most people chose to stay after this new pay. They told me they’ll just upgrade and wait for AC. There, it solves the company’s biggest problem.

The new pay was never meant to attract ATPLs, they’re happy with the 500 hour instructors they’re finding, they don’t need that many captains when you shrink down to 80 fins. The new pay is doing its job to keep some of those ATPL FOs from leaving

End of the year is approaching fast, if I recall correctly, you said there’ll be a raise before the end of the year for Jazz pilots. We’ll see how “ineffective” this last pay raise really is

I said if they want to have a summer they will need to pay more by the end of the year.

And no one who doesn't want to go to AC is coming, or staying. And you can't run a company with 500 hrs instructors. And all those people who you say are staying will be gone by March if AC continues to honor 60% for them, so it solves no problems long term.

Out west, people are still leaving for Westjet, and no one with less than 5 years is considering Jazz as a career option.

And no one with time will come here, whether they want to work for AC or not. And they aren't happy with a bunch of unupgradable pilots with no time. But they can't find anyone else and can't admit they have a problem... at least no publicly.

But Jazz management is worried and know the problem is only getting worse.

60% flow? Haha what kind of world do you live in that still believe everyone on property before the vote will keep 60%? Last month my AC buddy asked their HR when does 30% flow start? HR said right now. It’s been 30% (or less) for the last couple years anyway

They’ll be forced to sit at Jazz for 2 years because AC wants them to. So no, they won’t be gone by March.

They’re not running the company on 500 hour instructors, remember all those DB pension captains? Heck I even flew with captains in their 30s (post 2015 hires) that don’t want to leave. That’ll get the company going for a few more years, and then the A220s will all show up

They have been doing 60% since September, and I suspect will continue. So no, they won't be here for 2 years. 30% is for anyone hired after ratification. And we are barley doing 80 fins worth of flying, and we keep shrinking each month. So no, they can't just wait for the 220's, and it isn't like those planes have been problem free either. And how many DB pension plan pilots do you think are left? There aren't many, and several dozen retire every year. There aren't enough DB people left to crew 80 planes worth of Captains.

So again, anyone who feels things are going to be fine is delusional. And unless something happens, we will likely be at about 60 to 70 fins of actual flying come the summer, and even that is likely a stretch. We may have a bunch of airplanes, but everything is under utilized at the moment. So I hope AC enjoys giving up more market share, because it is that or pay properly.

[canadian_aviator_4]

You can’t trust AC to follow flow, everyone should hopefully be educated on that. AC has ambitions hiring plans to reach 6000 pilots. They will likely get there by next year or just after. If you don’t get in now you may be stuck at the bottom of a huge seniority list when the time finally comes.

Unless you already have a PIT scheduled I think you should leave Jazz. They already hired ~800 pilots this year, most are not jazz.

Jazz ALPA and AC ALPA don’t think anything meaningful will come from the complaints to the CIRB.

This comment is correct. AC does whatever they want. I left Jazz a while ago and it was probably one of, if not the best career decisions I have made. Both financially, and mentally with constant uncertainty and having 0 control over your career.

[Turboprops]

They have been doing 60% since September, and I suspect will continue. So no, they won't be here for 2 years. 30% is for anyone hired after ratification. And we are barley doing 80 fins worth of flying, and we keep shrinking each month. So no, they can't just wait for the 220's, and it isn't like those planes have been problem free either. And how many DB pension plan pilots do you think are left? There aren't many, and several dozen retire every year. There aren't enough DB people left to crew 80 planes worth of Captains.

So again, anyone who feels things are going to be fine is delusional. And unless something happens, we will likely be at about 60 to 70 fins of actual flying come the summer, and even that is likely a stretch. We may have a bunch of airplanes, but everything is under utilized at the moment. So I hope AC enjoys giving up more market share, because it is that or pay properly.

Hahahahaha you are soooo out of touch with the flow reality it’s getting funny. 60% should be a yearly thing, you can’t just do a few months of 60% and say it’s good. Pretty sure ALPA’s going to send out another email like last year about flow, and it’ll be somewhere around 30% again.

As I said, you “think” they’re keeping 60% for those hired before September, sure that’d be nice (and they’re supposed to), but that’s not how AC sees it. It was never 60% to begin with. Keep dreaming that AC will grant 60% to those hired before September.

Go talk to those that joined Jazz after COVID that have applied to AC. None of them heard back, so yes, AC’s forcing them to sit 2 years, just read the job description buddy.

There’s been talks about filing another grievance for ignoring pilots because they haven’t done 2 years at Jazz, but how’s that 2022 flow grievance going? And last time I checked you said ALPA lawyers are gonna do something to stop the PAL thing, how did that go?

If Jazz can’t even do 80 fin flying, they’ll just contract it out to someone else. Don’t give me the “XX airlines can’t even staff their own flights”, you said the same thing about PAL.

[truedude]

They have been doing 60% since September, and I suspect will continue. So no, they won't be here for 2 years. 30% is for anyone hired after ratification. And we are barley doing 80 fins worth of flying, and we keep shrinking each month. So no, they can't just wait for the 220's, and it isn't like those planes have been problem free either. And how many DB pension plan pilots do you think are left? There aren't many, and several dozen retire every year. There aren't enough DB people left to crew 80 planes worth of Captains.

So again, anyone who feels things are going to be fine is delusional. And unless something happens, we will likely be at about 60 to 70 fins of actual flying come the summer, and even that is likely a stretch. We may have a bunch of airplanes, but everything is under utilized at the moment. So I hope AC enjoys giving up more market share, because it is that or pay properly.

Hahahahaha you are soooo out of touch with the flow reality it’s getting funny. 60% should be a yearly thing, you can’t just do a few months of 60% and say it’s good. Pretty sure ALPA’s going to send out another email like last year about flow, and it’ll be somewhere around 30% again.

As I said, you “think” they’re keeping 60% for those hired before September, sure that’d be nice (and they’re supposed to), but that’s not how AC sees it. It was never 60% to begin with. Keep dreaming that AC will grant 60% to those hired before September.

Go talk to those that joined Jazz after COVID that have applied to AC. None of them heard back, so yes, AC’s forcing them to sit 2 years, just read the job description buddy.

There’s been talks about filing another grievance for ignoring pilots because they haven’t done 2 years at Jazz, but how’s that 2022 flow grievance going? And last time I checked you said ALPA lawyers are gonna do something to stop the PAL thing, how did that go?

If Jazz can’t even do 80 fin flying, they’ll just contract it out to someone else. Don’t give me the “XX airlines can’t even staff their own flights”, you said the same thing about PAL.

And there is a grievance about PAL taking place. And who are they going to get to do more regional work. PAL can't even do what little they have been given, who else do you think they will get. There is no where else for them to go.

[CaptDukeNukem]

They have been doing 60% since September, and I suspect will continue. So no, they won't be here for 2 years. 30% is for anyone hired after ratification. And we are barley doing 80 fins worth of flying, and we keep shrinking each month. So no, they can't just wait for the 220's, and it isn't like those planes have been problem free either. And how many DB pension plan pilots do you think are left? There aren't many, and several dozen retire every year. There aren't enough DB people left to crew 80 planes worth of Captains.

So again, anyone who feels things are going to be fine is delusional. And unless something happens, we will likely be at about 60 to 70 fins of actual flying come the summer, and even that is likely a stretch. We may have a bunch of airplanes, but everything is under utilized at the moment. So I hope AC enjoys giving up more market share, because it is that or pay properly.

Hahahahaha you are soooo out of touch with the flow reality it’s getting funny. 60% should be a yearly thing, you can’t just do a few months of 60% and say it’s good. Pretty sure ALPA’s going to send out another email like last year about flow, and it’ll be somewhere around 30% again.

As I said, you “think” they’re keeping 60% for those hired before September, sure that’d be nice (and they’re supposed to), but that’s not how AC sees it. It was never 60% to begin with. Keep dreaming that AC will grant 60% to those hired before September.

Go talk to those that joined Jazz after COVID that have applied to AC. None of them heard back, so yes, AC’s forcing them to sit 2 years, just read the job description buddy.

There’s been talks about filing another grievance for ignoring pilots because they haven’t done 2 years at Jazz, but how’s that 2022 flow grievance going? And last time I checked you said ALPA lawyers are gonna do something to stop the PAL thing, how did that go?

If Jazz can’t even do 80 fin flying, they’ll just contract it out to someone else. Don’t give me the “XX airlines can’t even staff their own flights”, you said the same thing about PAL.

And there is a grievance about PAL taking place. And who are they going to get to do more regional work. PAL can't even do what little they have been given, who else do you think they will get. There is no where else for them to go.

And there is a grievance about the pilots who were supposed to flow. How long do you think these will take? You can file any grievances you want. To date, nothing has been solved. The fact that jazz pilots are still saying “grievances will solve this” is absolutely out of touch with reality.

If it is the case, and if jazz alpa group actually gets any gains from this, is just another stall tactic. Im sure by the time it gets resolved, half or more of pilots it affects are already gone somewhere else.

[Me262]

So much bickering yet here I am close to their minimums still hoping to hear back with an offer letter

Priorities I guess

[CaptDukeNukem]

So much bickering yet here I am close to their minimums still hoping to hear back with an offer letter

Priorities I guess

I hope you get hired, so you can bicker too.

[truedude]

So much bickering yet here I am close to their minimums still hoping to hear back with an offer letter

Priorities I guess

Anything looks good when you have few options. If you had options, Jazz wouldn't be on your list of places to apply. It isn't about priorities, but rather perspective.

[Me262]

So much bickering yet here I am close to their minimums still hoping to hear back with an offer letter

Priorities I guess

I hope you get hired, so you can bicker too.

Sounds like a plan!