Truckers convoy

[7ECA]

I'm impressed how seamlessly the trolls who spent years pumping out anti-vaccine COVID-19 conspiracy theories and bullshit, have now dovetailed ever so easily into anti-Ukraine/anti-NATO Russophile propaganda. I'm sure you'll all be excellent at towing the party line when/if China goes after her "break away province" as well.

[rookiepilot]

I'm impressed how seamlessly the trolls who spent years pumping out anti-vaccine COVID-19 conspiracy theories and bullshit, have now dovetailed ever so easily into anti-Ukraine/anti-NATO Russophile propaganda. I'm sure you'll all be excellent at towing the party line when/if China goes after her "break away province" as well.

Now you all know why I didn’t answer.

Someone else comes up with a very well thought out analysis, (that I agree with) and you all dump on him anyway, like this grade 2 tantrum above.

You don’t value discussion, not interested in anything but your echo chamber. America good. Russia bad. If only it was that simple.

Clearly no one wants to think at all. Let Trudeau and the American propaganda machine (yes, they do it too) do all your thinking.

[WellThatAgedWell]

I'm impressed how seamlessly the trolls who spent years pumping out anti-vaccine COVID-19 conspiracy theories and bullshit, have now dovetailed ever so easily into anti-Ukraine/anti-NATO Russophile propaganda. I'm sure you'll all be excellent at towing the party line when/if China goes after her "break away province" as well.

Many of the “conspiracies” ended up being true .

[tsgarp]

I'm impressed how seamlessly the trolls who spent years pumping out anti-vaccine COVID-19 conspiracy theories and bullshit, have now dovetailed ever so easily into anti-Ukraine/anti-NATO Russophile propaganda. I'm sure you'll all be excellent at towing the party line when/if China goes after her "break away province" as well.

You are trying to frame this as a good guys vs bad guys situation. I know that approach feels good, but it reduces a complex situation into such simple terms that the resulting mental model looses all fidelity.

A more useful, and mature view point is to look at actions and effects. That is the analysis that I gave you. Putin can’t afford to have a western ally sitting right on his border and he will act to stop it. That is the simple truth of the situation stripped of all moral posturing. Everybody in the west that acted towards bringing Ukraine into NATO knew this and pushed for it anyway.

Since you bring up China, let’s look at the bigger picture. The Ukraine invasion is most likely a diversion. The Russians and the CHICOMS have signed a cooperation pact. By menacing Europe, Putin has tied down US resources. This reduces the power the US could project into the Pacific, providing a window for the CHICOMS to begin territorial expansion. The more troops the US commits to Ukraine, the wider that window opens. Ukraine means nothing to the well being of the west, Taiwan and the Pacific however, are a different story. This is why the west has avoided committing much in the way of material aid to Ukraine; the more resources we divert to fight Putin, the wider we open the window for the CHICOMS.

This is also why you saw the abrupt withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan last year. Intelligence analysts saw things shaping up quite some time ago and resources were shifted in anticipation.

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Does anyone else find it almost impossible to pay any serious attention to someone who talks about "the CHICOMS"? Are you living in a Tom Clancy novel, or the real world?

The Ukraine invasion is most likely a diversion.

Not if you're from Ukraine, it isn't.

Now you all know why I didn’t answer.

That's not why we think you didn't answer.

[rookiepilot]

Does anyone else find it almost impossible to pay any serious attention to someone who talks about "the CHICOMS"? Are you living in a Tom Clancy novel, or the real world?

The Ukraine invasion is most likely a diversion.

Not if you're from Ukraine, it isn't.

Now you all know why I didn’t answer.

That's not why we think you didn't answer.

Ahh. Who's belittling now?

[Aviatard]

Now you all know why I didn’t answer.

It’s because Trudeau. And the CBC. Also 4-bars. Those are also bad.

[rookiepilot]

Now you all know why I didn’t answer.

It’s because Trudeau. And the CBC. Also 4-bars. Those are also bad.

No, cause you've all made up your minds. Why bother?

[mmm..bacon]

Does anyone else find it almost impossible to pay any serious attention to someone who talks about "the CHICOMS"? Are you living in a Tom Clancy novel, or the real world?

Well, they sure as hell aren't 'CHIDEMS', and Beijing's feelings might get hurt if we call them 'CHIDICS'

[Inverted2]

ChiCom is a term from the 1950s when the Chinese Communists rose to power.

[photofly]

Does anyone else find it almost impossible to pay any serious attention to someone who talks about "the CHICOMS"? Are you living in a Tom Clancy novel, or the real world?

The Ukraine invasion is most likely a diversion.

Not if you're from Ukraine, it isn't.

Now you all know why I didn’t answer.

That's not why we think you didn't answer.

Ahh. Who's belittling now?

Not me. Nor did I make any reference to what airplane I think he flies, nor what I imagine he does with it. Amazingly, I responded to something he actually wrote. I know that's a challenge for some.

ChiCom is a term from the 1950s when the Chinese Communists rose to power.

I know what it means. It still sounds like something from a bad Netflix serialization of a bad novel.

[tsgarp]

Does anyone else find it almost impossible to pay any serious attention to someone who talks about "the CHICOMS"? Are you living in a Tom Clancy novel, or the real world?

You took it seriously enough to reply.

The Ukraine invasion is most likely a diversion.

Not if you're from Ukraine, it isn't.

You’re not in Ukraine right now so there’s not excuse for you to ignore / not grasp the big picture.

[pelmet]

Are you guys still at it? and now on Russia?

Ok....ask yourself a question. What happens these days when someone in Russia protests the invasion of Ukraine? Answer....it ain't pretty.

Now ask yourself what happened to all the Americans who protested the invasion of Iraq? They went home for dinner with the family.

I know there are many more complications involved, but that is a good starting point.

Ok......you say we are not talking about America, we are talking about Ukraine. Well, what would have happened back before the recent invasion if a group of Ukrainians had been protesting some serious issue about their country and badmouthing the leader. I suspect that they would have gone home to dinner with the family.

Do you really like the idea of Russian style governments moving slowly westward in Europe. Take a look at Belarus as a good example, which coutry is next? How far are you satisfied with this happening. It has significant parallels with what happened last century.

How quickly they forget. The TikTok generation.

[tsgarp]

I know what it means. It still sounds like something from a bad Netflix serialization of a bad novel.

I use the term because it is important to remind people exactly who the PRC actually are; disciples of Marx inspired by the works of Lenin and Stalin.

[tsgarp]

Do you really like the idea of Russian style governments moving slowly westward in Europe.

I don’t like it one bit. However, the battle against it must be informed by realpolitik and also balanced against the need to prevent a nuclear exchange. Realpolitik says that Putin can’t allow Ukraine to be openly pro western and a member of NATO. If Ukraine wants to be in NATO then Putin has to be replaced. I suspect Putin would prefer a nuclear exchange to being replaced; and that my friends brings us to the exact juncture at which we find ourselves. The best we can hope for at this point is that Ukraine turns into a second Afghanistan for the Russians and bleeds them dry over a decade or so.

[rookiepilot]

Ok....ask yourself a question. What happens these days when someone in Russia protests the invasion of Ukraine?

Well......seeing you asked.

Police detained more than 4,300 people on Sunday at Russia-wide protests. One protester there was shown being beaten on the ground by police in riot gear.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/mo ... 022-03-06/

Ottawa. More than 170 people have been arrested and 38 vehicles seized as officers, some on horseback, continued the second day of a massive crackdown.

Some protesters who resisted were thrown to the ground and had their hands zip-tied behind their backs.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60420469

[rookiepilot]

Do you really like the idea of Russian style governments moving slowly westward in Europe.

I don’t like it one bit. However, the battle against it must be informed by realpolitik and also balanced against the need to prevent a nuclear exchange. Realpolitik says that Putin can’t allow Ukraine to be openly pro western and a member of NATO. If Ukraine wants to be in NATO then Putin has to be replaced. I suspect Putin would prefer a nuclear exchange to being replaced; and that my friends brings us to the exact juncture at which we find ourselves. The best we can hope for at this point is that Ukraine turns into a second Afghanistan for the Russians and bleeds them dry over a decade or so.

Why does everyone assume that every Russian citizen wants Western Governments pushing east? Do you all think Russian people are sitting around waiting to be "liberated by America"

This shallow western superiority BS gets really old. Go travel. Get out of the echo chamber.

Americans are not well liked. People who even look American are practically spit on -- by ordinary citizens.

Too many experts out there who's idea of international exposure is Orlando.

[photofly]

Does anyone else find it almost impossible to pay any serious attention to someone who talks about "the CHICOMS"? Are you living in a Tom Clancy novel, or the real world?

You took it seriously enough to reply.

Oh, the unbearable irony. (Do I get a prize for using sarcasm about irony? No? Just wondering.)

I use the term because it is important to remind people exactly who the PRC actually are; disciples of Marx inspired by the works of Lenin and Stalin.

Um… pretty sure that’s not what people are reminded of when you write CHICOM in all-caps. More things like NORAD, CENTCOM, SACEUR and other Things the CIA (and Tom Clancy) love. Just saying.

[rookiepilot]

Keean Bexte
@TheRealKeean
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BREAKING: After a judge who was not a former Trudeau candidate reviewed the bail denial for the convoy chief, Tamara Lich, she has been FINALLY granted bail.

[pelmet]

Ok....ask yourself a question. What happens these days when someone in Russia protests the invasion of Ukraine?

Well......seeing you asked.

Police detained more than 4,300 people on Sunday at Russia-wide protests. One protester there was shown being beaten on the ground by police in riot gear.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/mo ... 022-03-06/

Ottawa. More than 170 people have been arrested and 38 vehicles seized as officers, some on horseback, continued the second day of a massive crackdown.

Some protesters who resisted were thrown to the ground and had their hands zip-tied behind their backs.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60420469

One tiny.....OK....massive detail was missed in your reply, probably intentionally. If the Russian protesters marched in a park or somewhere close to the government without causing intentional disruption to anyone.....they would still have been arrested and sent to jail.

If the Ottawa protesters had done the same....they would have never been arrested.

Can you see the difference. I think I mentioned as much with the anti-Iraq war protests in the US.

[rookiepilot]

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/tr ... ake-a-dive


"A Nanos Research survey found that 47 per cent of Canadians said their impressions of Mr Trudeau had worsened over his government’s response to the demonstrations"

"In a survey by the Angus Reid Institute, a polling organised in British Columbia, 65 per cent of respondents said that Mr Trudeau’s remarks targeting demonstrators had made a tense situation worse."

Not the Liberal Hang Em' High Truncheon bearing witch-hunt crowd.......thankfully most Canadians don't agree with you.

[Inverted2]

Keean Bexte
@TheRealKeean
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BREAKING: After a judge who was not a former Trudeau candidate reviewed the bail denial for the convoy chief, Tamara Lich, she has been FINALLY granted bail.

2 weeks in jail…. Gang bangers in Toronto are held for less over shootings and murders…….

[pelmet]

Why does everyone assume that every Russian citizen wants Western Governments pushing east? Do you all think Russian people are sitting around waiting to be "liberated by America"

It is not every Russian citizen, it is just about every other citizen near Russia that wants western governments pushing east to protect them from Russian citizens. Ask Poland that was eager to actually name a military base after Trump if he would just base some soldiers over. Ukraine for sure, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia are desperate for eastward push(and they definitely would be invaded if not in NATO). Finland and Sweden are now seriously considering joining NATO, Moldova just asked to join the EU because they saw their country on the takeover map the other day. Romania is welcoming military forces and strongly pro-NATO. Hungary and Bulgaria, I am not sure about as they have had closer ties, Hungary recently and Bulagaria traditionally. Most former Yugoslav countries are likely wanting to be closer to the west with one standout being Serbia, which I would always recommend to never let into NATO if they ever asked as they are pretty much allies of Russia and would most likely be spies. Turkey is more unique but they are only technically part of Europe. Georgia loves NATO though.

[rookiepilot]

Why does everyone assume that every Russian citizen wants Western Governments pushing east? Do you all think Russian people are sitting around waiting to be "liberated by America"

It is not every Russian citizen, it is just about every other citizen near Russia that wants western governments pushing east to protect them from Russian citizens.

Oh man....

[pelmet]

Why does everyone assume that every Russian citizen wants Western Governments pushing east? Do you all think Russian people are sitting around waiting to be "liberated by America"

It is not every Russian citizen, it is just about every other citizen near Russia that wants western governments pushing east to protect them from Russian citizens.

Oh man....

Keep laughing. Try explaining to the people here what you find so funny and if they would prefer Russians or Americans.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/gallery/2 ... ed-streets