Double post...

Did they find the instructors they were looking for.

wirez wrote:I got this lovely e-mail today from Toronto Airways.
We had to increase the instructor pay rate, in order to not only meet our customer’s needs, but also attract the best qualified instructors that we can. Our instructors can now look forward to making a decent living, and maybe enabling them to look at instructing as a career.
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Any comments? At $70/hr, I think this will be the highest rate in Canada. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

That's fantastic that they are paying instructors well! Especially experienced ones. More schools could do the same and people would consider instructing for a career! Good job!!


Switchfoot

So did they end up getting all the instructors needed yet?

Great to say you make x number of dollars per hour but if you only work 2 hours a week it's still the same old shit.

Instructors at TAL are not getting paid 70 an hr, it's 40$ and the school is taking the rest. Maybe those cheap aholes that own the place could've thought about what they were doing before they did. Students will head up the road to another school where things are a lot more manageable, money wise. Student intake may decrease and therefore the instructors will make the same as before as a result.

fixed pitch wrote:Instructors at TAL are not getting paid 70 an hr, it's 40$ and the school is taking the rest. Maybe those cheap aholes that own the place could've thought about what they were doing before they did. Students will head up the road to another school where things are a lot more manageable, money wise. Student intake may decrease and therefore the instructors will make the same as before as a result.

Fixed Pitch, nope your wrong...you couldn't possible be any more wrong. How do I know? I agree with you, and apparantly I am the bane of Aviation in Canada.

btw they are currently training 19 instructors. So there shortage will be short lived.

they turned my application down. or rather Mr. former cop said that they have all the experienced instructors they need for now and are only hiring "fresh and eager" class iv's.

Makes sense the class 4s will stay longer to built the hours.

Niss you are the bane of everyone who's had the joy of hearing the crap that dribbles out of your slack jaw because you have absolutely no respect for anyone but precious Niss

Really? You feel that because you have had the pleaseure of dealing with me with out hearing my voice or seeing my face while you bash away at the keyboards only to have your 1s and 0s end up on my screen as words allows you to judge my character. That is pretty arrogant of you. Isn't the anonymity of the internet grand? I don't bother hiding because I feel I have nothing to hide from. My views and opinions are my own, and because I am aware I have no anonymity I have kept myself completely honest. Now because someone whom I dont know, and doesnt know me is sitting somewhere on earth at the other end of a computer (were talking about you by the way)doesnt like what I have to say (be it my opinion or my choice of 4 letter words) that doesnt give them the authority to judge my character. Just like I havent tried to judge yours. But you know what? I am willing to bet that if you are half as pretentious in real life as you are on this forum, you are one nasty *insert 4 letter word of your choice here*.

I have plenty of respect for plenty of members of this board your just pissy because you fall into the group of the people I have the least respect for.

BTW does your comment about me being slack jawed, and having to listen to my dribble extend to the people who share my opinion? If so thats not nice thing to say to even more people you dont know.

getting back on topic....Class 1 would get 42/hr, class 2 35/hr, class 4 maybe at 25/hr.
But if Dave don't like you your qualifications don't matter ....you're not getting in

It's too bad Transport makes getting the required FTU OC so incredibly difficult, expensive and time-consuming.

See, in a free market, if an instructor was getting shafted, he could go independent and offer his services directly to the student.

That's perfectly legal in the USA, but in Canada, it's very, very important to Transport that the instructors get shafted.

Nope Niss. Just you.

Nope Niss. Just you.

saaaa-LAP!

Niss: "Dad, can I have $20?"

Dad: "$10? What do you need $5 for?"

testpilot wrote:getting back on topic....Class 1 would get 42/hr, class 2 35/hr, class 4 maybe at 25/hr.
But if Dave don't like you your qualifications don't matter ....you're not getting in

From my personal experiences class of instructor does not necessarily mean the best instructor. I have been taught by class 4 instructors where I have left after a lesson and felt I got my monies worth, and done supervisory flights with a class 2 debating if I should have asked for a refund. As my current CFI explained to me it’s sometimes its easier to mentor new employee’s and have them do the job to the companies standards, than trying to get someone who has been at it awhile to conform. I am not making what Toronto Airways and Canadian Flight Academy are paying, but I think they have done a good thing for the Industry in general. For some reason we think the cost of getting a licence, or paying for an instructor here is expensive, you should see the costs in Europe. Thanks to my parents still allowing me to live with them I can pursue my career choice, and I am sure the cost of living in Southern Ontario is higher than where I am. I wish the best to these schools.

I remember my friend not being hired by the current CFI because he had seen my friend's car slide in the snow, ending up against the chainlink fence in the parking lot. The CFI arguement was that my friend showed poor decision making skills and thus causing him to lose control of his car in the slippery snow covered parking lot.
TAL's service hasn't changed. The customer still has to beg them to take him/her flying. They have the best location in the GTA so the stream of students never ends despite the bad service.
But one good thing is that by hiking up their instructors rates other schools in the GTA have also done so....not tothe same scale but it is an improvement.

I remember my friend not being hired by the current CFI because he had seen my friend's car slide in the snow, ending up against the chainlink fence in the parking lot. The CFI arguement was that my friend showed poor decision making skills and thus causing him to lose control of his car in the slippery snow covered parking lot.

When did YKZ get a chainlink fence in the parking lot? Are you talking about the one by the threshold of 21? That'd be quite the slide if some crazy douche managed that, probably would've taken out quite a few other cars too.

Let's look at this from a different angle - say that you were looking for more employees, and just as you were outside, you saw one of your prospective employees dicking around in the parking lot - loosing control of thier own vehicle. Granted, aircraft and cars arn't exactly the same, but if you're going to try something stupid in a car (when you've obviously not practiced it before), what does that say about your attitude in general. I completly agree with the CFI here, I'm wouldn't trust an airplane them either.

TAL's service hasn't changed. The customer still has to beg them to take him/her flying.

Id say that the only reason they'd have to beg to go flying is because the airways is booked full, and there's not enough instructors there to handle the demand.

Just my two cents on the issue though.
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