Enerjet

[Jastapilot]

Bingo.

[CanadaEH]

your a very confused individual if you think that the charters that WJ was doing for Transat were a signifigant factor in where they are today. your a complete moron if you think WJ vacations is a concern for Transat. I never said don't have an opinion, just don't be suprised when you get bitch slapped for being dumb.

WJ Vacations is a concern for all tour operators.

A few months ago Conquest (or Sunquest?) shut its doors. This winter you're going to see a significant increase into the Caribbean by WJ. You don't think WJV is a concern for Transat when those flights are into very popular markets served by Transat? Sunwing is also a concern to all tour operators. We seem to say this every year but this winter is going to be an interesting year.

[cjet]

Just for info. PUJ to YEG is 3395nm. I think a B737 will need to do a tech stop somewhere. That farther that to Hawaii from YEG.

CJET

[Jastapilot]

Not to hijack the enerjet thread, but I think it applies to the argument:

Jun 25, 2009 12:00 ET
Canada's Government Designates More Canadian Carriers to Serve Mexico
OTTAWA, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - June 25, 2009) - Canada's Transport Minister, John Baird, today announced changes to air designation allocations for scheduled Air Canada, Air Transat, WestJet and Sunwing air services between Canada and Mexico, which will benefit travellers and our country's tourism industry.

"I am pleased with these changes and additions, which will provide more options for the travelling public and shippers," said Baird. "It will encourage competition, innovation, and growth in the Canadian airline industry, and promote international travel options for consumers from both countries."

Under the Multiple Designation Policy, as applied under Canada's international air transportation policy, all Canadian air carriers may apply to the Minister for designation to operate scheduled international air services. These latest designations were made possible by the 1961 Canada-Mexico bilateral Air Transport Agreement, as amended in 1999 and 2007.

"This is excellent news for our tourism industry. Mexico is a growing market for Canada," said Diane Ablonczy, Minister of State for Small Business and Tourism. "There will now be more routes to take visitors to the spectacular destinations and attractions our country has to offer."

"Increased air access to Canada for the growing Mexico market is an important development that is a good step in meeting the tourism industries needs," said Randy Williams, President and CEO of the Tourism Industry Association of Canada.

A backgrounder regarding the new airline designation allocations between Canada and Mexico is attached.

Transport Canada is online at www.tc.gc.ca. Subscribe to news releases and speeches at www.tc.gc.ca/e-news and keep up to date on the latest from Transport Canada.

This news release may be made available in alternative formats for persons living with visual disabilities.


BACKGROUNDER

DESIGNATION FOR SCHEDULED AIR SERVICES BETWEEN CANADA AND MEXICO

The 1961 Canada-Mexico bilateral Air Transport Agreement, as amended in 1999 and 2007, governs scheduled air services between the two countries.

In addition to the city-pairs that have already been designated to carriers, the Transport Minister, based on specific criteria and assessment consistent with Canada's Blue Sky policy, has designated the following carriers to operate scheduled international air services between Canada and Mexico (X - effective immediately and O - effective the 2009-10 International Air Transport Association winter season):




City-pair Air Canada Air Transat WestJet Sunwing
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Victoria-Cancun X
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Victoria-Puerto Vallarta X
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Victoria-San Jose del Cabo X
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Comox-Puerto Vallarta X
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Vancouver-Mazatlan X
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Abbotsford-Cancun X
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Abbotsford-Mazatlan X
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Abbotsford-Puerto Vallarta X
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Abbotsford-San Jose del Cabo X
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Prince George-Mazatlan X
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Prince George-Puerto Vallarta X
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Kelowna-Cancun X X
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Kelowna-Puerto Vallarta X
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Kelowna-San Jose del Cabo X
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Calgary-Huatulco X
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Calgary-Mazatlan X
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Edmonton-Huatulco X
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Edmonton-Mazatlan X
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Regina-Cancun X O
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Regina-Mazatlan X
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Regina-Puerto Vallarta X O
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Regina-San Jose del Cabo X
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Saskatoon-Cancun X X O
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Saskatoon-Mazatlan X
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Saskatoon-Puerto Vallarta X O
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Saskatoon-San Jose del Cabo X
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Winnipeg-Mazatlan X
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Winnipeg-San Jose del Cabo X
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London-Cancun X
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Hamilton-Cancun X
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Toronto-Acapulco X
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Toronto-Cozumel X
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Montreal-Acapulco X
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Montreal-Cozumel X
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Quebec City-Cancun X
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Moncton-Cancun X
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Halifax-Cozumel X
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[Huge Hammer]

I don't think what you posted is really related to the conversation.

Any carrier can fly between Mexico and Canada if they want to operate as a charter. Given that I don't think Enerjet plans to start as a sched carrier to Mexico anytime soon I don't think it affects them.

[amraam]

CJET,

Seems Enerjet has, and can do that flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ENJ6 ... /MDPC/CYEG

amraam

[ez4u2say]

Yep, it certainly looks like they flew that route...question is, was it full passengers and their luggage, or a ferry flight...I seem to recall a few years back of a west jet pilot telling me that they were planning to operate a scheduled YYC-HNL-YYC with their latest B737. I told him that it would be tight even flying a YVR-HNL-YVR route. I know that there are times (HNL-YVR) when they make an enroute fuel stop along the US coast line especially when the weather is marginal and alternates are few and far between. In winter it is even more restrictive since the upper winds become another factor....

[whiteguy]

Yep, it certainly looks like they flew that route...question is, was it full passengers and their luggage, or a ferry flight...I seem to recall a few years back of a west jet pilot telling me that they were planning to operate a scheduled YYC-HNL-YYC with their latest B737. I told him that it would be tight even flying a YVR-HNL-YVR route. I know that there are times (HNL-YVR) when they make an enroute fuel stop along the US coast line especially when the weather is marginal and alternates are few and far between. In winter it is even more restrictive since the upper winds become another factor....

When WS first started that route they made a few stops. Someone correct if I'm wrong but I think something like 20 seats are always open i.e. not sold on the HNL flights.

[Tiny Voices]

The tech stop is rarely required (only once last winter that i am aware of) and it would be unlikely to happen on the HNL-YVR leg as the winds are usually significantly more favourable on the return to Vancouver. We played it very conservative at the beginning carrying much more than the required fuel but, now that the ETOPS program has matured, flights are rarely capped. Think i did one last winter that was capped at around 160 to carry additional fuel to avoid a stop in EUG or SFO to top up the tanks before carrying on.

[CanadaEH]

Whiteguy, in the first year of operations we capped the aircraft at 150/166 seats. The second year we capped the aircraft at 160/166 seats. Last year and, I'm assuming, this year the aircraft was capped at 160 leading up to the days before departure and then opened up to 166 depending on the weather.

[whiteguy]

Whiteguy, in the first year of operations we capped the aircraft at 150/166 seats. The second year we capped the aircraft at 160/166 seats. Last year and, I'm assuming, this year the aircraft was capped at 160 leading up to the days before departure and then opened up to 166 depending on the weather.

Thanks.

[YYCcrew]

Hey, I heard that Enerjet's 37's have a strange cabin layout. 12 first class seats, which is not so weird, but apparently there is no galley in the back? just lavs???? why would airtran order it that way? kind of limits the use of the plane when there is limited galley/food space. The only thing I can think of is that airtran wanted the cabin layout to be the same as their DC9's/717's??? any thoughts?

[amraam]

Were delivered in Air Tran configuration then were converted over to a 137 pax layout.

amraam

[gulfan]

Jets currently have seating for 137 guets in a three lavatory setting (1 up front, 2 in the back).

You can learn more about the services enerjet offers here:

http://www.enerjet.ca/pdf/enerjet_workf ... ochure.pdf

To see some images of the 737's check out the media page:

http://www.enerjet.ca/media.html

[Say Altitude]

Big announcement by WJA today regarding winter seasonal service to hot spots down south. That can't be good for any attempts by Enerjet to start up their own tour/travel business. I wonder if it will even get off the ground now?

[Jastapilot]

http://www.flypoland.com/canadas-enerje ... ights.html

Canadian start-up Enerjet has indefinitely deferred plans to launch leisure flights and will focus exclusively on workforce transportation. The Calgary-based…

[Troubleshot]

Big announcement by WJA today regarding winter seasonal service to hot spots down south. That can't be good for any attempts by Enerjet to start up their own tour/travel business. I wonder if it will even get off the ground now?

I wouldn't be comparing EnerJet and WestJet and were they stand in their respective vacation operations...They are so far apart it is not worth mentioning. EnerJet is looking to partner-up with someone and get their business off the ground. WestJet is looking get away from partners and do their own thing, both have their up and down sides.

EnerJet has overhauled it's business plan from growth to survival and I think if they can get through this tough time they will reap the rewards and be a definite player in the vacation sector.

[W5]

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... isure.html

[Huge Hammer]

Enerjet may be in a tight spot.

Suncor flying has not picked back up and the main project that they were flying workers to, Firebag/Fort Mckay does not have a timetable for re-opening.

Any tour operators that were looking at Enerjet for charters can dilute their risk by using WestJet's scheduled service. I wondwer how long they can ride out not having a lot of money coming in. I also heard that they did not get the greatest rates on the machines from Air Tran. Maybe in this economy they have renegotiated but the economy was much better when they first got them.

[Say Altitude]

What other work are they looking to get?? Oil is on its way back down and no new announcements! Where does the countdown clock to shutdown start at?

[roger.roger]

[quote]Canadian start-up Enerjet has indefinitely deferred plans to launch leisure flights and will focus exclusively on workforce transportation. The Calgary-based…[quote]

sooooooooooooo....................does that mean I win a prize. I just hope no one bought a type rating to work their

[Jastapilot]

He's still in the race. But you're too super keen to miss that little tidbit, eh?

[roger.roger]

little tidbit

I think their called timbits, and I'd be happy to take those as a prize. when you in YYC next?

[Jastapilot]

If you're buying, I'll have about 10 minutes to spare on a turn at 0730 tomorrow morning!

[balfour]

They will do just fine when AC files for CCAA again eh.Yea.