Granny Gas

[Strega]

Square,

You seem to have forgotten that the flaps on an aircraft do not create, or remove "lift", what they do is change the co-efficent of lift and drag. CL can also be controlled by AOA. The drag the flaps create can only be controlled by their position, and airspeed.
This is why you can reduce flaps,still have an increase in energy and climb faster.

[Cannonballer]

LOL Cat
Sorry ... I will refrain from using logic and common sense in further posts.

[square]

Square,

You seem to have forgotten that the flaps on an aircraft do not create, or remove "lift", what they do is change the co-efficent of lift and drag. CL can also be controlled by AOA. The drag the flaps create can only be controlled by their position, and airspeed.
This is why you can reduce flaps,still have an increase in energy and climb faster.

No I haven't, thanks. And bringing up the flaps does remove lift. It's a temporary change, like pitching the nose up or down changes lift.

[Liquid Charlie]

As soon as you start operating on unprepared surfaces or unlicensed runways you are outside the "box" anyway so why split hairs on legal -- rough conditions logically dictate you use the "best unstick speed" so now you are in the air below you control speed so who cares what the flap config is - I have "bounced DC-3's off of reefs to get airborne in sticky snow - I've seen guys ricochet off various things to launch a Norseman in sticky snow conditions -- we did ice work on unprepared leads with a Hawker -- 58kts M/T will get that old girl flying -- those conditions is why most carriers carried a "breach or promise" clause in their insurance (I'm sure not in this day and age) so that if something did happen they were covered -

Damn the hardest thing on rides with an old time "off strip" drivers was to get them to do a singe engine drill -- the power came off and they landed straight ahead --

Time marches on -- today it is different -- some good and some bad -- but that has been beaten to death in various threads --