I've said the same thing so many times in so many ways, I'm going to shut up about it now. I'm sure you'll all be very glad to hear that
Not at all widow. You have contributed much to this site. Regardless, a good healthy debate is the best way to change things. (not that avcanada will affect the greater aviation world, but anyway)
Why would they have waited until 3 hrs after expected check in to launch a search?
Your above question is what people have been trying to answer when responding to you. Why wasn't the search intiated until 3 hrs in. Well it was most likely initiated well before that by attempting to establish radio contact through ATC. We just don't hear about that part.
Could that be right? If someone somewhere was alerted to the critical system failures between 02:10Z and 02:14Z and they didn't check in as expected at 02:20Z ... why was it another three hours before a search was launched? Or was one launched by some entitity prior to the Brazilian air force?
Your arguement seems to be that all the information of the ACARS/Weather/overdue reporting point should have been available to one agency at one time so they could determine a that something "big" might have happened.
What the other posters have said is the reality. The maint department at Air France is "monitoring" the ACARS messages. They know nothing of the weather on route or the overdue reporting time. Also the detail of those ACARS we don't know yet. If they had been along the lines of, "we are crashing help us", then sure they would probably contact someone. As far as we know, if I recall correctly, there was one about an electrical malfunction, and one about a cabin vertical speed. Very grey and not likely to immediately cause someone to pick up the phone and call ATC to see if the aircraft is overdue.
The weather was known to the crew (may not have even been a factor we don't know yet) but perhaps not ATC, even if ATC did know about the weather it is possible they deduced the delayed report in due to deviations around weather etc.
ATC is not monitoring the ACARS. All they know is that an aircraft didn't report in on time (as apparently is quite common on these routes). After a brief waiting period they begin to intiate a search via communications as is the procedure.
All these bodies are independent and observing from different vantage points. We have the benefit of hindsight to see that all of them added together. These agencies did not. That is the system and it worked the way it was supposed too.
Having said that there is always a way to improve the system. But it sounds like what you are implying is that there should be one single agency that monitors Weather/ATC overdue/ACARS all at one station to make sure everything adds up. You may also be suggesting that if there is a malfuntion of a system, the maintenace department immediately calls ATC or visa versa. In which case there would be a fury of phone calls every day the likes of which nobody has ever seen. As "stuff" breaks on airplanes all the time.
Launching the SAR aircraft for a mission is one of the last steps in a search process that has started long before.
As to my loose example of a child being kidnapped:
another parent mentions they saw a creepy guy hanging out near the tunnel on the walk to school (known weather)
This parallel is not accurate. Known severe weather exists all the time when flying. If the above were the case. There would be a creepy guy on every other corner and for the last X amount of years your daughter would have come home everyday without a problem. The creepy guy then just becomes the norm and you think nothing of him.
At 2pm, daughter texts and confirms she's on her way home and near the tunnel (pilot manually reports entering weather cell)
Did the pilot report entering a weather cell? I hadn't read that.
Fifteen minutes later somebody calls and says they’ve been hearing talk in the neighbourhood that a man grabbed a screaming child in pink near the tunnel and pulled her into a van (could be rumour like the ACARS could be errors but important enough to set off alarm bells – i.e. follow-up to critical ACARS alert)
If the ACARS message had said. "Total Electrical failure unable normal navigation/controlled flight lost" Or "Airplane blew up" then that is a rumour on the level of the child kicking and screaming being taken away. As far as I know the ACARS message reported a high rate of change of cabin pressure and an electrical problem. If there is more to the ACARS message on this point then this point could be moot.
Five minutes later, my kid doesn’t get home as expected (no call-in). I try calling her cell a few times and she doesn’t answer, though I know she has to walk through a tunnel where her cell does not work (no comm response).
I think that is an appropriate comparison.
Sorry for the long winded response. I hope I clarified my position and possibly the position of some others on the board. I'm all for improving the system, but I don't think that this is the right angle to approach it from.
If you have any criticisms or points to make, I'm glad to hear them.
BTD