The Next Gear Up Landing

[jjj]

Slats,

re read the debate. I have been logical and honest throughout.

If you feel any comments have violated the terms and conditions of this website please pm Widow or Sky's The Limit whom I have commited to obeying the rules. If there is any problems I will happily modify my post.

Cheers.

[jjj]

hz2p,

I never said that we are the same, I said that Doc is no better. The difference is a little on the side of subtle but there is a difference.

[jjj]

hz2p,

Where in my posts did I say or infer that having an accident free career is related to luck - I propose no such thing.

Perhaps you misinterpret the quote, "There but for the grace of God go I" - A recognition that others' misfortune could be one's own.

[Dust Devil]

I find it far less painful to learn from other people's mistakes.

Ya know Doc I didn't notice this comment before however I found myself thinking this very thing on my drive home today. It seems a number of guys don't want to learn from others and prefer to make their own mistakes. They at least seem to take exception to the idea of learning from others.

[Doc]

Doc
You should come over sometime so I can wipe my arse with your logbook.

Wow! Now here is someone we can all look up to as a "Professional". A real class act. Someone you'd like to share a cockpit with. jjj....you should be really proud. Don't think I've ever seen a more class act.

First time I've ever put anybody on my "foe" list. So. babble on. I can't hear you. Pretty pleasant. As the song say's...Silence is Golden.

[BoostedNihilist]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, "Karma is a bitch rookie."

flying airplanes by Karma..

what happens when you are flying a load of child molesters to the penal colony? Don't you think whoever is in charge of karma would consider you collateral damage when he makes a smoking hole in the earth filled with pilots and pedophiles? What's CRM gonna do about THAT Karma?

[xsbank]

He had no family or friends, so the service was to be at a pauper's cemetery in the Kentucky back-country. As I was not familiar with the backwoods, I got lost and being a typical man I didn't stop for directions. I finally arrived an hour late and saw the funeral director had evidently gone and the hearse was nowhere in sight.
There were only the diggers and crew left and they were eating lunch. I felt badly and apologized to the men for being late. I went to the side of the grave and looked down and the vault lid was already in place. I didn't know what else to do, so I started to play. The workers put down their lunches and began to gather around. I played out my heart and soul for this man with no family and friends. I played like I've never played before for this homeless man.
And as I played, 'Amazing Grace,' the workers began to weep. They wept, I wept, we all wept together.
When I finished, I packed up my bagpipes and started for my car. Though my head hung low, my heart was full. As I opened the door to my car, I heard one of the workers say, "I never seen nothin' like that before and I've been puttin' in septic tanks for twenty years."

[Sulako]

I'm not going to comment on the thread, I see some people making the same arguments I would. However:

jjj, your posts go beyond healthy debate and venture into personal attack territory. You make a particular strike-worthy incursion with your "wipe myself with your logbook" post. The fact that it's aimed at a mod doesn't exactly help your case. Time to drink a nice glass of warm milk and simmer down before posting again, methinks.

Unfortunately, while you're doing that I'm gonna do my mod job. let's call it strike 1 for your post and strike 2 for aiming it at a mod (we gotta have some respect for the mod process even if we disagree 100% with a particular mod).

Next time is a free vacation, so please govern yourself accordingly.

[yycflyguy]

Pilots who have accidents, often have more than one.

Hence it is beneficial to the rest of the industry to cull the repeat offenders before they cost us more grief and losses.

Now you are suggesting segregating those pilots you deem sub-par and killing them like a diseased herd of cattle?

Culling is the process of removing animals from a group based on specific criteria. This is done in order to either reinforce certain desirable characteristics or to remove certain undesirable characteristics from the group. For livestock and wildlife, the process of culling usually implies the killing of animals with undesirable characteristics.

You have interesting ideas. Guess the wagering wasn't enough.

[Dust Devil]

Pilots who have accidents, often have more than one.

Hence it is beneficial to the rest of the industry to cull the repeat offenders before they cost us more grief and losses.

Now you are suggesting segregating those pilots you deem sub-par and killing them like a diseased herd of cattle?

Culling is the process of removing animals from a group based on specific criteria. This is done in order to either reinforce certain desirable characteristics or to remove certain undesirable characteristics from the group. For livestock and wildlife, the process of culling usually implies the killing of animals with undesirable characteristics.

You have interesting ideas. Guess the wagering wasn't enough.

Do you feel threatened by this?

[yycflyguy]

Moooooooooooo.

[Cat Driver]

DELETED:

I have deleted this post because after the mod got through sanitizing it the message I was sending was lost in the P.C. crap that is required to be accepted in this P.C. arena.

I am tired of responding to veiled personal attacks.

[Cat Driver]

Personal attach huh?

Screw this forum.

I'm tired of always defending every question I answer so whoever edited my post can PM the person I was addressing and have that expert answer any further questions I would have been asked.

From now on I will only post negative ignorant responses to any question I am asked so I don't upset the mods.

[hz2p]

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[_dwj_]

Another class act.

I often wonder why I bother with this forum because I feel contaminated just reading comments like that from someone who it may be possible is a fellow pilot.

From his posts it appears he is a WestJet pilot. Probably not a very smart career move.

I don't understand why we can't just have rational discussions on avcanada without always descending into personal attacks.

[Cat Driver]

Keep in mind, ., that the people arguing with you probably don't have one tenth of your flight time or years in aviation or skills or knowledge. If you met them in person, it would be ludicrous - you'd laugh at the obnoxious, ignorant spotty-faced newbie, and walk away.

The person I was responding to is not a newbie, that I know for certain as I have had PM's from people who know him.

I don't have any problem defending my positions with people one on one it is the cowards who hide behind made up names that I can not deal with.

[Doc]

Now you are suggesting segregating those pilots you deem sub-par and killing them like a diseased herd of cattle?

While this may seem extreme, it has it's merits?

Problem is, you can't really ever know where the "brain fart" might strike. I've known more than one pilot that I would consider a real threat to humanity, yet they are no more likely to leave the gear in the wells than a Seneca grad.

Why, just yesterday I left the flaps down after landing. Nobody was seriously injured, and the aircraft was returned to service after corrective action was taken.

[hz2p]

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[jjj]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, "Karma is a bitch rookie."

flying airplanes by Karma..

what happens when you are flying a load of child molesters to the penal colony? Don't you think whoever is in charge of karma would consider you collateral damage when he makes a smoking hole in the earth filled with pilots and pedophiles? What's CRM gonna do about THAT Karma?

Good afternoon Boosted,

I never suggested that one flies airplanes by Karma I simply stated that "Karma is a bitch."

Sometimes it seems that Karma certainly comes into play. An example of this is like when a Captain I once flew with was on a rant about some colleagues ad how they manage the aircraft after landing during HIROPS. After going off for half an hour it was his turn to demonstrate how it was done. He butchered it so bad that the tower in YYZ gave him hoopla and the plane behind him had to do a go-around.

As far as the Karma of others is concerned I'm afraid that I can do nothing to manage that variable in the example you so cleverly imagined. I would hope though that a beliover in Karma such as yourself would prefer that before the Karma gods would seek to establish balance in the universe that they could hold off a bit a spare the good Captain JJJ and his trusty crew.

Thanks for trying to move the debate along - your post contributed a lot.


JJJ

[jjj]

Doc
You should come over sometime so I can wipe my arse with your logbook.

Wow! Now here is someone we can all look up to as a "Professional". A real class act. Someone you'd like to share a cockpit with. jjj....you should be really proud. Don't think I've ever seen a more class act.

First time I've ever put anybody on my "foe" list. So. babble on. I can't hear you. Pretty pleasant. As the song say's...Silence is Golden.

Good afternoon Doc,

Another difference between you and me is that I hold no animosity towards you. In fact I'm sure that you are a great person to fly with and I'm sure you run a very safe aircraft. Where I disagree with you is your position of infallibility on the subject of this thread - that's all.

The comment about the "arse" was a colourful way to express myself about my opinion that in all your time pushing up the trust levers that you have not fully digested that despite our best efforts there are situations where we as fallible pilots/humans can make basic errors in both normal and non normal situations when complacency is not the symptom.

As far as who you are and your ability as a professional - I don't paint you a certain way for your use of profanity on this thread - we're pilots and mostly guys and in speaking casually we often use a few poo poo words.

Though my colourful (and now edited) comment was stern it's intent was to drive a point home. Your choice to then make a shrouded-in-sarcasm personal attack on my professionalism on the line or how pleasant I am to fly with is unfounded and against the rules of this forum.

Have a nice day.

[jjj]

I'm not going to comment on the thread, I see some people making the same arguments I would. However:

jjj, your posts go beyond healthy debate and venture into personal attack territory. You make a particular strike-worthy incursion with your "wipe myself with your logbook" post. The fact that it's aimed at a mod doesn't exactly help your case. Time to drink a nice glass of warm milk and simmer down before posting again, methinks.

Unfortunately, while you're doing that I'm gonna do my mod job. let's call it strike 1 for your post and strike 2 for aiming it at a mod (we gotta have some respect for the mod process even if we disagree 100% with a particular mod).

Next time is a free vacation, so please govern yourself accordingly.

Sulako,

Since you chose to air this out on the forum beyond your PM to me I hope you don't mind an open response.

As a moderator you have the choice to exercise your mandate as you see fit - that is your right. I find it interesting though that the comment that generated my strike was left un-edited by any of the mods. I have put some personal thought into the post and have decided that it was a little too much and I took the opportunity to modify it as soon as I got home.

The strike 2 is once again your prerogative to enforce a double standard - I appreciate that this is sight is controlled by the mods and you/they have the freedom to manage it as you/they feel. Your comment about not having respect for the mod process is unfounded. Please feel free to contact Widow or S T L if you wish to have some insight into how I have responded to the mod process in recent months.

Have a nice day.

[Cat Driver]

In the final analysis internet anonymous forums are more detrimental than valuable for communication.

When evaluating the opinions and or statements of an anonymous poster one tends to forget they are really nobody, therefore their opinions and or statements are worth the same as their reluctance to interact openly one on one, it is really worth nothing.

I guess I am at a disadvantage on a forum such as this as I was raised to be accountable for what I say and do.

[jjj]

I would be quite happy to participate in abandoning the anonymous aspect of Avcanada.

If the administrator of this site chooses to get rid of handles and only allow true identities, I would be happy to oblige.


JJJ for now.

[yycflyguy]

I would be quite happy to participate in abandoning the anonymous aspect of Avcanada.

If the administrator of this site chooses to get rid of handles and only allow true identities, I would be happy to oblige.


JJJ for now.

I have no problem abandoning the anonymity either.

yycflyguy for now.

[Stearman]

It is simple just put the bloody gear down!

Distraction or not if your landing you need to put the gear down.

I think anyone that thinks that this accidents just happens and that it can possibly be said hey this is okay we only forgot the gear. Is out to lunch....You can't forget the gear it ain't an option,eh.